Woman (maybe) kills 3.

[DukeOfSussex]

Woman kills 3 before fatally shooting herself at Rite Aid distribution center in Maryland, officials say

edition.cnn.com/2018/09/20/us/maryland-shooting/index.html

The suspected shooter — a 26-year-old woman — was transported to the hospital, where she died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to authorities.

people.com/crime/maryland-rite-aid-mass-shooting-suspect-arrested/

Snochia is transgender. No idea if they were born male or female but we can't discuss male pattern violence or why transmen commit violence at the same rates as men (and transwomen) because these words don't have any meaning now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6192109/Friends-say-Maryland-Rite-Aid-shooter-transgender-felt-alienated-wasnt-monster.html

If the person is trans and born female I find it really interesting that the papers besides the Daily Mail are misgendering her as they'd never do the same for a transwoman.

If she was born male we need to talk about male violence being recorded as female.

I think she was female who had been on testosterone therapy for a couple of years. Her data still listed her as female.
It's not unheard of for females to commit multi/mass shootings, I can think of 3 off hand.

Wow it just goes to show.

Trans XY and commit a crime - female
Trans XX and commit a crime - female

And those 'women do it too' figures just keep on rising

And T, of course, the mighty T

If the person is trans and born female I find it really interesting that the papers besides the Daily Mail are misgendering her as they'd never do the same for a transwoman.

To be fair they probably assume she is male and are just repeating the US story.

But yes, and it's not the first time I've seen this double standard in reporting.

If she had a history of mental health problems and it was documented, how on earth was she legitimately registered as a gun owner?

If I were a family member of the victims, I think that this is the question that would be taking any spare capacity I had when I wasn't being consumed by the shock and grief.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45594239

And BBC refuses to report this person's 'gender'. You know why? Because they won't get any complaints from the TRA. And you know why? Because there's no harm to transactivism in a story about women being as violent as men.

To be fair they probably assume she is male and are just repeating the US story.

The US agencies are calling her a woman, which if she is female is fine. But, i know they would never "misgender" a transwoman.

The pics in the Mail showed a masculine-bodied person with masculine facial features and eyebrows groomed into a feminine style. Article says Moseley had only recently come out and was considering starting hormone treatment.

So I know what I think.

You have to assume she's male-born, because they never knowingly misgender a TW.

oops, have reported my own post as it turned into a pronoun/tense hot mess
will try to make my point again in a bit, fortified by coffee

I read about this earlier. Obviously another person who should never have had access to firearms given their mental health background.

I also noted no media was kowtowing to use preferred pronouns, I guess those are transwoman privileges.

Ironically mass shooting is very much a 'living as a man' thing to do. Much more so than having babies.

Oh so it is a bloke

www.newser.com/story/264920/friend-of-maryland-shooter-she-wasnt-a-monster.html

The BBC piece is even worse, as it doesn't report the trans factor and and in a breathtakingly stupid piece of analysis says

Mass shootings by women are rare, with more than 95% of such attacks in the US carried out by men

I haven't seen any photos of this person only discussion about them being a transman. Seems like there is some uncertainty about their sex and how they identified.

You have to assume she's male-born, because they never knowingly misgender a TW.

Exactly. But as I say I've seen the double standard of them misgendering FTMs.

One of the main takeaways from this story is how the ideology is destroying language and the ability to report clear facts and also how we can no longer assume that facts are factual.

Yes ova.

We were discussing this on this thread as well. Interesting link provided by ICantBelieve.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371654-Criminality-by-sex

"One of the main takeaways from this story is how the ideology is destroying language and the ability to report clear facts and also how we can no longer assume that facts are factual."

This is what I came on to say.

It is a FACT that most violence and especially mass shootings & sex crime are committed by penis people.

So when this was reported yesterday that a woman had done it I said, well.

It could be a woman, which would be very unusual. Are women doing this more in the USA > if so, it is a worrying sign that the normalisation of it as a reaction in USA society means it is leaking past classic "angry man" aggressor

It could be a transwoman in which cse business as usual (male violence).

WE DON'T KNOW.

And this matters.
MRAs will be saying OHO women do it too this is a people problem!
Some people (across teh board TBH) will be saying hmmmmmm unusual for a woman maybe a transwomen which is also NOT GOOD as it is based not in fact but pushing suspicions around

IF there are changes in the actual profile of people who commit these crimes that is potentially INCREDIBLY SERIOUS for USA society and needs to be identified and dealt with or at least recognised.

As things are, we no longer know whether crimes that are reported as committed by women, esp ones v unusual for women, have actually been committed by women.

I know the answer is TWAW but this is NO USE with crime stats. Not if you want to understand and reduce crime.

Agree that transwomens pronouns are always respected, transmens not sure (hardly ever in the news for reasons other than "had a baby") so, who knows.

What is for sure is that this is not helpful to anything.

I don't know if they were referring to an earlier version of the story but Trans Media Watch refers to a transwoman (not that people always use that accurately):

The Mail reports that a trans woman has shot herself and others in Maryland

twitter.com/TransMediaWatch/status/1043094906741424130

I should say that, courtesy of the news reports, I have no opinion on the sex/gender of the shooting suspect.

As a general note, the US has < 5% of world population, but 31% of its mass shootings from 1966-2012, according to University of Alabama analysis.

www.asanet.org/news-events/asa-news/us-has-5-percent-worlds-population-had-31-percent-its-public-mass-shooters-1966-2012

It looks like this paper: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26822013

The pdf of the full text is here: crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Lankford-Public-Mass-Shooters-Firearms.pdf

some would argue that even with comprehensive gun control policies, public mass shooters would still be able to obtain the weapons needed to carry out their attacks. By this view, offenders would just get their firearms illegally, through back alley or black market deals. However, although this may be the likely response to gun control from organized crime groups or gang members, the individuals who commit public mass shoot- ings are typically not well connected (Langman, 2009, 2015a; Lankford, 2013; Newman et al., 2004). Many are so beset by personal problems and mental illness that they may lack the social relationships necessary to acquire firearms through back channels (Langman, 2009, 2015a; Levin & Madfis, 2009; Newman et al., 2004). In fact, a recent investigation of American mass shooters found that the vast majority of their firearms were purchased legally (Follman, Aronsen, Pan, & Caldwell, 2013).

I had a look at her FB page last night after I saw pics because I thought she was a transwoman. Her gender was listed as female so I would assume that means male born. I think the page has been taken down now though.