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BBC uses 'cisgender' without quote or qualification

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 07:32

With apologies to MNHQ but I can't make my point I don't use a particular banned word.
The motion, which proposed treating all trans women the same as cisgender women, passed unanimously on Wednesday

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-45589563

This is abusive, misogynistic and a wholesale adoption of transactivist terms and language.

Cisgender is a transactivist term that traps women within assumptions that we accept the stereotypes that are inflicted on us.

The BBC is expressing the deepest sexism here. This term should be pulled out, with a promise never to use it again. And the reporter needs a good talking to.

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OrchidInTheSun · 21/09/2018 07:36

Christ that article reads like something in Pink News. It's appalling AngryAngryAngry

Redkeyboard · 21/09/2018 07:42

That article appears to have been written by a TRA or at least someone who has swallowed gender ideology whole.

GulagMilkMonitor · 21/09/2018 07:45

I’ll be complaining and I urge you all to do so too.

SunnyintheSun · 21/09/2018 07:49

Anyone know how to complain? I’ll happily send in a complaint.

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 07:51

It's against all the rules of impartial reporting. It's like using equivalent terms when reporting on people of colour. Has the BBC given out NO crib sheets for reporting during the GRA consultation period? Hasn't it bothered to think OK we'd best tell people covering this to take particular care to be impartial?

Has the BBC become a transactivist organisation? I thought they were just lazy and scared of bullies. But this is beyond the pale.

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ThanosSavedMe · 21/09/2018 07:52

Am I missing something here or misunderstanding.

The last paragraph talks about “the bullying and abuse of trans people” but aren’t women being bullied to accept the term ciswomen?

Bullying and abuse of anyone for whatever reason is wrong. I have absolutely no problem if a person wishes to live their life in a different way to how I live mine. But don’t start dictating to me that I’m now something else and that if I don’t accept that I am somehow in the wrong.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 21/09/2018 07:56

providing a straight definition of 'cisgender' without acknowledging that it is a controversial term is like presenting a definition of 'slut' as 'woman who enjoys having sex'

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 07:57

this alternative report from the BBC links to an official guide to transgender terms! Straight from the Self-ID advocates' mouth Shock

This is outrageous. The BBC is a transactivist organisation. This is just wrong. When were women consulted when they drew up this guide? Not at all? What a big sexist surprise.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 21/09/2018 07:57

I think details of how to complain are here

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/Ypg5XtqMdkH0lvmL7GtqX6/contact-us

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:01

and this is the actual complaints form for direct online complaints

Thanks Bernard. The misogyny here is breathtaking.

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CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 08:03

You will get diddly squat from the BBC. The ideology in deeply ingrained in them.

bengalcat · 21/09/2018 08:03

Cisgender - whatever next - I'm a woman and quite frankly as long as they're a nice person would regard a ' chick with a dick ' as a woman too .

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:06

We have to complain. That's what the TRA do, they overwhelm them with complaints, they spam them, they refuse to be fobbed off, they threaten ofcom, so we should too. If the BBC gets away with this they will keep doing it.

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:07

Bengalcat no idea why you would think a person with a penis is a woman Confused

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Elephantinacravat · 21/09/2018 08:08

Jeez, watching a middle aged white man tell a group of women that they are 'hateful' because they are worried that their rights are being eroded, really does stick in the craw doesn't it?

littlbrowndog · 21/09/2018 08:12

Well Charlie as long as they nice guys they are women
If they not nice then they are guys
Because women are nice
Aren’t we ?

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:12

Ah yes the whole point being that this abusive language is in defence of a powerful man of dubious motive exhibiting extreme bullying against women fighting to keep women's rights.

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:13

Funny how the BBC never finds time to talk to feminists.

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SunnyintheSun · 21/09/2018 08:24

Thanks Bernard and Charlie.

Racecardriver · 21/09/2018 08:27

The bbc hasn't been impartial for a long time. I'm not sure why you are surprised. Boycott the TV licence, they won't give a shit about a non trendy non trans person's complaints.

Melamin · 21/09/2018 08:29

I think they have just regurgitated some sort of press release from Liverpool. Willingly.

SunnyintheSun · 21/09/2018 08:31

Done

GulagMilkMonitor · 21/09/2018 08:31

I find if you phone the BBC rather than email you get a better response. I’ve peak transed a few people that way in recent years.

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 08:32

Is that right gulag? I never knew. Racecard, I totally expect to be fobbed off. But it's all in the numbers. Numbers count.

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reallybadidea · 21/09/2018 08:35

The motion, which proposed treating all trans women the same as cisgender women, passed unanimously on Wednesday.

Ffs, since when has a council been allowed to just overrule the Equality Act?

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