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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC uses 'cisgender' without quote or qualification

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Charliethefeminist · 21/09/2018 07:32

With apologies to MNHQ but I can't make my point I don't use a particular banned word.
The motion, which proposed treating all trans women the same as cisgender women, passed unanimously on Wednesday

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-45589563

This is abusive, misogynistic and a wholesale adoption of transactivist terms and language.

Cisgender is a transactivist term that traps women within assumptions that we accept the stereotypes that are inflicted on us.

The BBC is expressing the deepest sexism here. This term should be pulled out, with a promise never to use it again. And the reporter needs a good talking to.

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placemats · 21/09/2018 10:07

This was the speech that Liverpool ReSisters gave at 16 minutes in.

The BBC should have, in fairness, balance and equality added this as well.

placemats · 21/09/2018 10:14

The thread reader here:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1042577177265557505.html

Lovelytreeoutsidemywindow · 23/09/2018 16:04

If you have complained, make sure they don't fob you off. The BBC complaint system has a number of stages and if the language isn't changed, do pursue the complaint to the next level so it goes higher up in the organisation. Without giving myself away, I am speaking with some authority here. Smile

MrGHardy · 23/09/2018 17:21

Wrote a complaint. This is completely unacceptable.

Charliethefeminist · 23/09/2018 23:02

Lovelytree: thank you for that. Really helpful.

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DuckingGoodPJs · 24/09/2018 00:40

Is there a women's flag?

No, and the 'genderqueers' stole the suffragette colours too.
Seems we can never have nice things. Hmm

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 24/09/2018 02:26

The first time I came across the phrase “cis woman”, I had this sudden rush of rage. To me, it was once again a bunch of blokes telling women who they were allowed to be, defining women without regard to women themselves.

It was colonising women in the same way that colonialists would rename, in their own image, the features, even the names, of countries they invaded. Even when those countries already had their own names.

I still can’t read or hear the term without feeling the rage.

Language matters, because naming things is an act of mastery.

In the Bible, Adam’s first task was naming things,
God “brought them to Adam to see what he would call them” and “the man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field” (Gen. 2:19“20)

And apparently now, Adam gets to name women.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”

Roystonv · 24/09/2018 02:39

Very well put dance in a way that anyone could grasp who is unaware of the new way you can rape a woman., for me it says it all. Feeling rage, fear and despair at the state of the nation.

Charliethefeminist · 24/09/2018 06:34

Have never seen the genderwueer flag. I am really, really enraged by that.

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Ikeasucks · 24/09/2018 07:11

Orgs like the BBC, twitter, FB etc are all going to be trans friendly and anti gender critical.

Someone posted this earlier and I’ve just been becoming to realise how true and quite scary this is. It’s bolshy student union politics taken to the next level. A small amount pushing forward getting to make policy, take control because the majority just aren’t aware or interested enough (me included) and this is what you get.

In Parliament every piece of legislation is scrutinised and often brought to public attention. With councils there is little interest in or publicity about what they are doing. Few people read local papers now, and policies and decisions are made by a few who put themselves up for election (by a tiny number of voters) for the many, frequently spending vast sums on ridiculous/unpopular/politicised schemes.

oneWeirdReSister · 24/09/2018 13:09

So this is the response I've received about my complaint:

I understand you felt the article entitled, ‘Liverpool ReSisters slammed by mayor in transgender row’ was against against the group (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-45589563).

We did, however, report the concerns held by the Liverpool Resisters regarding self-identification. We then featured a quote from their spokeswoman who outlined the following points:

"Self ID erodes vital safeguarding principles by preventing women and children from listening to their feelings of discomfort," she told the council chamber. I urge the council to... listen with an open mind to all sides of the issue [and to] consider the complexity of self ID and the full impact its implementation will have on Liverpool citizens."

BBC News never takes a position on any subject that we cover, but we always aim to reflect a broad range of voices on any given subject. We are always careful to check and report the facts surrounding any debate, examine relevant arguments, and offered detailed analysis. We believe that by doing this our audience can then make up their own minds.

I’m sorry if you felt any aspect of our news coverage displays bias, but hope the above explains our position and allays your concerns. Your complaint has been raised with senior management and BBC News by way of an overnight report, which helps to inform our approach to reporting.

Many thanks, once again, for taking the time to get in touch.

Charliethefeminist · 24/09/2018 13:27

Raise it to the next level. Its not true that the BBC hasn't take a position. It has taken the position of self ID and adopted the language of transactivism.

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Charliethefeminist · 24/09/2018 13:30

this is the link to the BBC style guide saying that the BBC will describe people as whatever they identify as. It's clear bias, and use of cisgender is deeply controversial. It's hate speech.

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Lovelytreeoutsidemywindow · 24/09/2018 15:18

Please take it to the next level of complaint.
BBC News should be editorially impartial (this is enshrined in its charter and editorial guidelines) and cisgender isn't an impartial adjective.
Using it without qualification, along with "assigned sex at birth" is taking sides, which is against their own guidelines on bias.

stillathing · 24/09/2018 15:51

to anyone considering complaining and who cares about their blood pressure.... be warned the form times out if you wander off to make coffee midway through and just after spending ages trimming paragraphs to fit the word count

Musthavesbackagain · 24/09/2018 20:19

I have emailed them today because I consider that word to be an offensive slur.

SunnyintheSun · 25/09/2018 21:30

Does anyone know what the BBC response time is? I emailed on 21st and haven’t even had an acknowledgement yet. Is that normal?

Coldallthetime · 25/09/2018 21:43

You should have had an acknowledgement and it's 10 working days for a response (if longer they should let you know). Make sure it's via the official website form, not just an email and be specific about how they are breaking their obligation to be impartial

SunnyintheSun · 25/09/2018 22:03

Ok, thanks. Think I’ll give it the full ten days then follow up.

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