Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

Sorry my comment has been a bit mis interpreted.
My friend is not Mr bunce, he can't stand him, thinks Mr bunce is an egotistical mysoganystic twat with poor taste in clothes.
My friend fights against as much of this Cs nonsense as he can. He has supported multiple women bringing pay claims and he does try to ensure Mr bunce is not allowed to take over any women events that get organised at Cs.

And he is first to admit that he is a white middle aged man and has an easier ride than any woman

Mr bunce is not allowed to take over any women events that get organised at Cs.

Has he tried?

So on the days when Pippa is being Pippa and working does she get up extra early, put a wash on , make the packed lunches, get the kids up and dressed, do the school run, only take twenty minutes for lunch because she has to get to school on time for pick up, take the kids to after school clubs, come home, hear them read, cook supper, empty and fill the dishwasher, clean the kitchen , sort out school uniform for the next day, put another wash on, do a bit of ironing, feed the cat, take the dog round the block, log onto mumsnet for half an hour, clean up phillips piss around the toilet, get up in the night if a child is sick.....

If Pippa doesn't do all/some of the above then, m'lud, I put it to the court that she is not a real woman, she is merely a man pretending to be a woman because he likes wearing women's knickers. [ shocked murmurings from the public gallery]

I'm not necessarily averse to men (like your chum) have Championing Women type roles.

As realistically, women often have less influence. As they are women.

And "diversity issues" are often seen as wholly peripheral. And women are then stuck trying to champion these low status women's matters, as well as dealing with all the extra shit they have to deal with, because women.

So a bloke doing a women's ally type role is ok with me. Being chair of the women's committee, praps not. Calling yourself a woman because you identify with womanhood, or occasionally get a frisson from a lacy frock, please no.

Woking deals with a potential overcrowding problem by being dominated by very well-off privileged individuals.

And the town? Yes, it does much the same.

Psychopaths enjoy fucking with people. Just saying.

Thanks viques - I am going to reword and add that to my consultation answers.
There's more to 'living like a woman for 2 years' than lippy, heels and a dress. That's just a night out.

Imagine the outrage if your list was all mandatory (not good for women either as it codifies it as women's work) but just for a minute - imagine if they did!!

Apart from the more fundamental discussions, as a senior woman (of the double X variety, in case it wasn't clear) in a male dominated field, I just couldn't help but notice:

The likes of me and my few female colleagues don't dress like that. There is arguably no policy against it (never checked) but in practice none of us could get away with turning up to work in a frilly hot pink number.

Our images are carefully cultivated and without exception seem to default to "generically attractive but cold as ice". That's because we get penalised for being unattractive but also for being perceived as sexual.

The executive floors of multinationals - and that happens to include CS; I've been to the executive floor of one of their major locations - seem to only ever contain women in tailored suits or dresses, neutral makeup and, if they're white, carefully maintained shades of blond. I should know, I own a vast collection of subtly expensive looking dresses in dark colours.

I'm exaggerating slightly, but not by much. My point is, women in the corporate world hardly ever get to decide what to wear on the basis of simple matters of taste. We have to maintain a careful balance between attractive and non-sexual or we will be overlooked or not taken seriously.

It's lovely to see that we have such a trailblazer among us. Not.

And for people who think he's inadequate. I know what you're saying, but he is having the most cakiest cake, and eating it all the live long day.

He is the pinnacle of the patriarchy. Wanker he might be, but you can't say he's not succeeding.

Our images are carefully cultivated and without exception seem to default to "generically attractive but cold as ice". That's because we get penalised for being unattractive but also for being perceived as sexual.

This is such a good description. I keep meaning to start a thread on "shit women have to deal with in the corporate world"

I've started wearing trouser suits as i wondered if that would be perceived as less sexy and more authoritative but sadly it has just ramped up the amount of male sexual attention i get. I think i look great though, so there's that.

YY Datun.

Just like Edward Lord and all these other fuckers.

Pips is also giving panel ddiscussions at parliament, hosted by Maria Miller and with girlguiding UK on trans inclusion and reform to the GRA

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/media-statement/speaker%E2%80%99s-house-event-highlights-urgency-trans-equality

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3250175-Girl-Guides-Panel-discussion-at-Speakers-house-woman-male-woman-male-male-male#prettyPhoto

Does he do any work? Sounds like a busy little bee.

He's certainly very much in demand and getting a lot of attention. Which must be very difficult for someone who just wants to get on with their life.

Datun

Oh yes, but as I said, the most inadequate men are the most dangerous. It's just wet men and women who want to see the nest in people who are taken in

best in people

Skull - 100%

As someone who has been working a in male dominated field, where all the men at my level and above have SAH wives to look after the kids - it just reinforces how little men often understand, and how little they even think!

I would never wear that to work

There is something fundamentally wrong with this

If I wear a trouser suit to work, slick my hair back and have no make-up I am not a man

Being a woman is not wearing a dress

He's probably styles himself as p. or pip.bunce. Means his signature will be valid on any day too.

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Oh come on HebeMumsnet the individual in question here, Philip Bunce, IS the issue in question. Pointing out his behaviour and the enabling of it by Credit Suisse is not a personal attack.

Oh come on HebeMumsnet the individual in question here, Philip Bunce, IS the issue in question. Pointing out his behaviour and the enabling of it by Credit Suisse is not a personal attack.

Agree. How on earth can we discuss this issue without discussing this individual?

I knew this would be Pip.

I do want to ask her if she takes a 30% pay cut on the days she turns up as a woman.