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Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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CharlieWork · 20/09/2018 21:19

Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives
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FrankUnderwoodsWife · 21/09/2018 17:39

I am pretty sure if I went to work dressed in his female attire, i would be sent home and told to dress more appropriately.
As in “for the workplace” not a night out at Car wash.

Howcansanepeoplesaynothing · 21/09/2018 17:40

Ereshkigal. I’m a very long time lurker. I fear you’ve become jaded by the sheer volume and breadth of BS you and your amazing friends call out so eloquently if you think the exams thing is one of the weirdest things you’ve ever heard of Wink

FermatsTheorem it’s a churn of the same faces going from same universities to big 4 consultants/ investment banks and on to the auditors, regulators and boards. I keep a black sense of humour in my handbag at all times these days. Perhaps Pips does too Grin

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 17:44

I fear you may be right Grin

Iused2BanOptimist · 21/09/2018 17:58

I also notice from another website, that Bunce is one of three transwomen in that top hundred.

nicenewdusters · 21/09/2018 18:00

Thanks Old crone .

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 18:01

He's a transvestite not a transsexual. He doesn't even try to claim that he is a woman. You can't put on and off being a woman like a bloody mask. His poor kids must be very confused.

What a load of bollocks and shame on CS for allowing this nonsense.

Elephantinacravat · 21/09/2018 18:12

If Pips said that they were just dressing as they wished to that day, because who is to say that men can't wear shit, horrid, cheap looking dresses to work, but that they are still obviously a man and they are still Phil, and what they wear doesn't change that, because dresses and wigs don't make you a woman, I would have a lot more respect for him.

He has acknowledged that he was already very senior in Credit Suisse when he started wearing dresses to work some days. He had got to that position as a regular man. Its possible that he wouldn't have got to that position had he started breaking out Pippa earlier on, but it is also highly possible that he wouldn't have got to that position if he were a woman. Accepting this award (and not only accepting it but being derogatory about anyone who questions it) feels like a big Fuck You to all the women who have had to work that extra bit harder to claw their way up, just because they have a vagina and not a penis. And whoever was at 101 in that list was totally cheated.

TimeLady · 21/09/2018 18:15

Hopefully the weekend papers are waiting to pick up on this story. It has the potential to peaktrans the nation. Nobody likes or respects a cheat.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 18:17

He must be wearing some super strong elastic knickers and tights in a skirt that tight to avoid, erm, an 'unladylike bugle'.

FermatsTheorem · 21/09/2018 18:20

Yes, the making it as a man then transitioning thing again.

Warning: rage inducing -
www.bustle.com/articles/183525-bridget-joness-baby-is-the-second-movie-trilogy-with-all-female-directors-but-thats-just-one

Article crediting the Bridget Jones movies with being the "second" movie trilogy with female directors. The first? The Matrix. Yes, because the Warchowskis really would have managed to successfully pitch and fund a hard-edged sci fi series (the most notoriously misogynist bit of the movie/book industry - see for instance the Sad Puppies controversy over fixing the Hugo Prize) if they'd tried to do it as the transwomen they later transitioned to, rather than as the men they were at the time.

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 18:22

AsA

Or not

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 18:23

Nooooo! Bits on display? Oh please.

God I'm glad I don't work there.

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 18:25

AsA

No. Was alluding to perhaps not needing that much squashing to conceal (a low blow, but whatevs)

ErrolTheDragon · 21/09/2018 18:26

The closest thing is some Mother and Baby mag ranking, which sets a very low bar. They’ll check that the firm allows flexible working, but not look at how a career and compensation are stagnant or even in retreat if a woman has the temerity to actually apply for flexible working (as opposed to feeling “supported” just knowing it’s an option. Feels)

Picking this up from way upthread, seriously MumsNet should give an award - with high bars - for parent-friendliness. Maternity and paternity rights, flexible working (for fathers too), positive strategies for retention and career development etc

Elephantinacravat · 21/09/2018 18:27

So when, in that article, it says

Bridget Jones 's Baby might be making history as the second female-directed movie trilogy ever made (Lana and Lilly Wachowski directed The Matrix series)

What they actually mean is that the Wachouwskis are now transwomen, but at the time of directing the Matrix they were just regular blokes? How the fuck does that make the Matrix a 'female directed trilogy' then? Have these people lost all sense of space and time now as well as biology?

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 18:27

(childish snigger)

53rdWay · 21/09/2018 18:30

So what does Pippa actually do to promote and support the cause of women in that field? I see a lot about sitting on committees and being a ‘visible ambassador’ but nit much on any specifics. What does Pippa see as the main obstacles for women? Does Pippa have any thoughts about maternity pay or shared parental leave? What exactly does Pippa mean by promoting intersectionality - how does Pippa understand that term? I would be interested to know.

I was hoping Pippa’s Twitter account might enlighten me but it mostly seems to be retweeted stories about Pippa.

FermatsTheorem · 21/09/2018 18:30

Yup Elephants that's about it.

This is because "deadnaming" is like, the worst crime ever, literal violence, yadda yadda yadda, and also because they were "coercively assigned male at birth" but have in fact always been female inside they were in fact women at the time of pitching and directing the Matrix and in fact always have been which is why they didn't benefit from any male privilege at any time during growing up and adulthood prior to transition, oh no sirree. Or so we are required by our brave new overlords overlaydees to believe.

In other news, Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 18:32

The Bunce is only interested in the Bunce's little hobby. I wonder if he rocks up at parents evening dressed like a nightclub hostess?

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 18:37

What they actually mean is that the Wachouwskis are now transwomen, but at the time of directing the Matrix they were just regular blokes? How the fuck does that make the Matrix a 'female directed trilogy' then? Have these people lost all sense of space and time now as well as biology?

YY infuriating though it is that is the line now. They've always been women.

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 18:37

53rd

Pips has won The Order of The Garter for services to word salad and abstract nouns

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 18:38

Picking this up from way upthread, seriously MumsNet should give an award - with high bars - for parent-friendliness. Maternity and paternity rights, flexible working (for fathers too), positive strategies for retention and career development etc

What a great idea! @MNHQ

Judder · 21/09/2018 18:50

Thanks for mentioning Roald Dahl - I knew something had been bugging me:

"Boggis and Bunce and Bean
One fat, one short, one lean
Those horrible crooks
So different in looks
Are none the less equally mean".

SunsetBeetch · 21/09/2018 18:50

Pips is not the only cross dressing man on that list!

Meet number 95 Nicci Take (yes you bloody are, mate)

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/4bd11478-baac-11e8-8dfd-2f1cbc7ee27c

niccitake.com

"BY DAY NICCI TAKE IS A STYLISH, DEMURE, MIDDLE-AGED CHIEF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO SOMETIMES GOES INTO WORK AS A MAN SO SHE CAN BULLY PEOPLE BETTER"

Nicci. Take.

Elephantinacravat · 21/09/2018 18:52

So what does Pippa actually do to promote and support the cause of women in that field? I see a lot about sitting on committees and being a ‘visible ambassador’ but nit much on any specifics. What does Pippa see as the main obstacles for women? Does Pippa have any thoughts about maternity pay or shared parental leave? What exactly does Pippa mean by promoting intersectionality - how does Pippa understand that term? I would be interested to know.

I would also be quite interested to know the role that both Pip and his wife played when they were raising their children and he was working his way up to senior level in a huge multinational bank. I wonder if she was a stay at home mum to enable him to work the long hours needed? I wonder if Pip ever had to leave work early because one of the kids was sick and needed picking up from school? Or had to think about requesting more flexible working hours when the kids were tiny?

I know nothing about his family so these are actually genuine questions.

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