Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

And people must excuse islamophobic and racist tweets in order to show solidarity with the person who made them even though she brought the movement and associated campaign groups into disrepute.

Honestly, this is ridiculous.

@nancytoo @caroty @slothsloth am not sure what the agenda is here? Is it disorientation? Distress? Or about me responding in a way that can escalate? These techniques are not actually that sophisticated. I wonder what it is that makes me so special I am on the receiving end of it. Relentlessly. Hmm.

We have Caroty who is so outraged that discss political consensus and include the left in analysis he will start a thread misrepresenting and abusing. Demonstrating my original point. @nancytoo who literally has to fabricate to make lies make sense and @slothslothsloth who just likes to be mean to people sought out. Are these all separate accounts?

And yet my original point stands, hasnt been refuted and has been evidenced BY these three posters at least. Mumsnet I have to be honest you have a problem on this site with targeting of women. One wonders why. Thanks for demonstrating my point.

Do you know, I shouldn't have made that last comment. It was snarky and now I'm going to get a bollocking for that.
I was allowing myself to be wound up.

I am sorry.
(Stopping short of self-flagellation)

Please consider before you press post.
Thank you.

Lisa. STOP. It's not true.

Now you really ARE just making shit up.

Mumsnet I have to be honest you have a problem on this site with targeting of women

Oh FFS. If you don’t want people to point out that your posts are incoherent, write coherent posts.

I want to know why I am on the receiving end of this? @nancytoo What purpose does it serve you to do this to me? @carotyo @slothslothsloth

Nancytoo you appear to have difficulty with perceiving reality. You just posted here to misrepresent what I said I want to iknow why. I want to know why I am in the middle of a tag team between you, Caroty and Slothsloth and what precisely you get out of doing this? Is it pleasure? Is distress the payoff? Disorientation? What?

Also Caroty I agree that there’s a weird understanding of “solidarity” here. Been through it all before with the Posie fiasco.

Solidarity is not difficult to understand, its where people support each other and recognise harm. Distinct from mob justice and abuse by coherent groups who come together to cause harm.

Lisa.

I don't know the others. My posts are about me. There is NO tag team and I hope someone will mollify you by saying these accounts are not linked.

I have written the word sorry three times.

You are winding me up now. There's no conspiracy and I'm not saying it again.

And you type really fast, I guess you're using a computer, I'm doing this on a phone and can't keep up. Please put a full stop under my part of this.

The sorry is arrives with more of the same so I can only assume its not sincere could you cease being manipupatliuve and abusive to me as I dont know you and have done nothing to you and you dont know me and I did nothing to deserve it but point out that its not ok. @nancytoo

I wont be posting on Mumsnet again. Really. FYI The two things I have done to offend you and bring this raining down are existing in a reality I cant change and can describe and objecting to actual harm caused by austerity to miullions of women and by one action from an organisation I have fully supported to one woman. Ta for demonstrating what happens to women who do that but I already knew cos this is my entire life.

Now I missed other posts and haven't replied. This is impossible.
But I've learned something and I will never try to engage with you again Lisa.
I promise.
100%

Interesting take, Caroty

Not at all relevant to what I actually said, but interesting, nonetheless.

You are tilting at windmills now. Your own imaginary windmills.

Time for a repost:

You did not try to engage with me you lied, misrepresented me, contributed to abusing me, and then continued to demonstrate manipulative and abusive behaviour. Thats not ok behaviour, its not acceptable in an adult and I did nothing to deserve it. I am actually a person. This is disgusting behaviour from an adult. Disgusting. Your behaviour to me is disgusting.

Betty I was responding to this:

*We recognised an attempt to isolate Lisa from the rest of us (via manufactured conflict) and we resisted it.

This. Same impulse that made us disapprove of shunning Posie within an environment where withdrawing solidarity from a woman leaves her doubly vulnerable to dangerous activists currently at the beginning of narc rage because they thought they had won and they hadn't. It has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting any views of Posie's. It's about not rowing away in the lifeboat before all the women are on board*

No I fucking well did not.

The implicit meaning is that questioning one of Lisa's theories is equivalent to shunning her. It's the equvialent of twaw. You have to show solidarity by attacking women who question baseless smears by someone you like. This is a very worrying state of play.

It's also similar to people who blindly follow Labour and Corbyn, and who defend everything they do out of "party loyalty".

You are tilting at windmills now.

Indeed. I can only assume it's wilful because I have used short words, short sentences and, short of monosyllables only, find it hard to think of a way in which I could be more clear. Engagement clearly pointless.

What I see reading this atm, is that an attempt to get everyone to turn on Lisa has clearly not worked, so it's ramping up into "thread deleted for being a bunfight"

I understand what Lisa is saying, it’s not rocket science. It’s a bit naive to say a political campaigning group have their manifesto and they don’t ever deviate from that or they would never have a different motivation for what they’re doing beyond the strictly obvious.

What did Posie Parker say that’s so horrible she deserves to be pushed out onto her own and left to be picked off by activists who have put her children’s safety at risk? We’re seeing this tactic with politicians and it has been roundly condemned (as it should be) and they have power and resources to help them protect their dc - what does the mum on the street have? Would you speak out publically using your real name if your children’s safety is the consequence? Most of us would not. Using fear and ostracism to control people’s voices is not something we should condone. Perhaps Posie could be given an opportunity to discuss her views and if they are so terrible she could apologise. At the moment I’m assuming it wasn’t that bad because if it had been genuine hate speech it would have been sent to the police as a hate crime like the other stuff she apparently said was.

LangCleng was expanding on my point, I agree with her additions.

Your response implies we are taking the opposite position to what we have actually said.

So, to clarify:
Absolute agreement is not a condition of solidarity.
It’s perfectly possible to demonstrate disagreement with another woman and/or disapproval of an opinion or action in a manner that does not subsequently leave them (and by association their families) in an avoidably vulnerable position.

I REPEAT
I did NOT ask for thread to be DELETED (I don't want it to be) and I did NOT initiate a pile-on.
And people saying so are fanning the flames.
Impossible. This has turned really horrible from me asking a simple question which was a perfectly legitimate one.
You all have rushed in, with the only intention of propping up Lisa's UNFOUNDED accusations of a conspiracy against her.
I suspect that Lisa thrives in this kind of conflict situation. She certainly doesn't accept any attempts to calm things down. Well I don't and it makes me nervous of meeting people irl at a WP event. MN & all SM can be bizarrely cliquey place as I said on the other thread.
I have said sorry FOUR times now.