Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Yeah deep, I was a bit confused there too.

I think my interpretation is entirely accurate, actually.

What did you craft you laptop from CarrotyO? Foraged twigs and acorns?

Lisa also makes the point that working class speak in a way that's different to the middle class and that causes problems. Lisa is educated and still seems to have issues getting the point across. I find her articulate but in a northern way which is normal to me. However culturally I don't think this is universally understood in this country. Middle class communication skills are more dominant in politics.

If you consider Lisa HAS skills and is still dismissed for not making a point in the correct manner or correct language think about what that means for people who lack that.

The presentation style is thought of as more important than the content. People are not listening to crucial points because they don't make a proper effort to listen to underlying points.

I've noted multiple rather classist comments about Lisa's writing style in this thread.

Why can you take WP at their word that motives were "commitment to anti-racist principles and in solidarity with Muslim women", but not take women here's word that they disagree?

It suggests that you believe the word of official representatives more than regular women...?

I think it’s so interesting how some women have been put on such a plinth - immune from all criticism because they are semi-public figures. Neither of them feminists. One can copiously tweet racist statements and brings us all into disrepute. The other is weirdly fixated on women in Wpuk and holds them personally responsible for the deaths of 100,000 disabled people. And women don’t dare challenge them.

I, on the other hand, who you don’t know - have explained my political leanings and that I support a return to a more sustainable way of life, for the good of humanity and for the good of all life on Earth - have been treated mercilessly. Even if you disagree with my solution it’s strange how you are behaving as though I am suggesting genocide.

It’s so cliquey and juvenile.

I haven’t said anything about Lisa’s writing style

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You disagree with their stated motives - as in you don’t believe them and think they are lying?

Lisa also makes the point that working class speak in a way that's different to the middle class and that causes problems.

Yes. The requirement to code switch only ever goes one way. Very classist.

Lisa is educated and still seems to have issues getting the point across

Ok well as you understand her point can you explain why women in Wpuk are personally responsible for austerity?

'Not true. Those were my observations based on conversations I’ve had with women on this issue. Some women see islamophobia, and some really don’t. Their assessment of the pp/Wpuk situation is impacted by that.'

Some women see the intimidations, threats and abuse of women with opinions at the hands of the Labour courted Brownshirts in Drag, and some dont. Their assessment of the pp/Wpuk situation is impacted by that.

Ah, so this is personal. Nice to finally have that out in the open, I suppose.

I am in no way intimidated by Lisa, nor do I fear challenging her. I do object to people misrepresenting her position.

Funnily enough, indirectly calling a large group of women racist - when you have proof of no such thing - has an effect on how they later respond to you.

Especially when you start a thread about one person based on a statement by them that you have clearly misunderstood/are deliberatively faux-misunderstanding.

You disagree with their stated motives - as in you don’t believe them and think they are lying?

This is juvenile.

The point being made is that women talking about gender are operating within a highly toxic and dangerous environment and so, even if WPUK wish to practice purity politics on race issues, they should not have publicly shunned Posie because women should have solidarity with one another with regard to the gender conflict.

A separate point is that Posie sees herself as anti-patriarchal religion while others see her as Islamophobic. This is worthy of vigorous debate between women.

You know this, I am sure. People are challenging you on this thread because you seem to be deliberately conflating the two in order to obscure what has actually happened.

weirdly fixated on women in Wpuk and holds them personally responsible for the deaths of 100,000 disabled people. And women don’t dare challenge them.

Why can our culture not call out people who are complicit in the death of actual people, be it in Syria, in Libya or at home? Obviously, holding up the austerity consensus makes one complicit in austerity and its consequences. How is this not obvious?

Yy. Except you've used "call out" now too, deep...

What criteria are you using to state posie and Lisa are "not feminist", btw?

The point being made is that women talking about gender are operating within a highly toxic and dangerous environment and so, even if WPUK wish to practice purity politics on race issues, they should not have publicly shunned Posie because women should have solidarity with one another with regard to the gender conflict.

This. It takes a special kind of entitlement to not grasp this or to just not care about it.

Erm I think it’s quite an important point. Either you think Wpuk are lying in their stated reasons or you think they are being honest.

Weird that no one is engaging with my central points re Lisa’s argument - that Wpuk women are in some way responsible for austerity

Their own rhetoric.

The issue I have is that I am expected to distance myself from Posie and my failure to do so is proof of my white privilege and racism.

I am an adult and quite capable of listening to Posie's arguments without slavishly believing each and every Tweet. There's plenty of things I disagree with but I am quite capable of agreeing with her on some points, while thinking she's total dick in others.

I don't see Muslim women offended by Posie. If there was a huge backlash from that community then I might think differently but all I see are woke lefty women getting offended on their behalf.

All this belies a patrician like disdain of the working classes. You think we all are so thick that we have no ability to analyse arguments for ourselves and need to be protected encase we get infected with bad thoughts.

Yy. Except you've used "call out" now too, deep...

Ok, my mistake. I should have said 'Why can our culture hold to account in a court of law out people who are complicit in the death of actual people, be it in Syria, in Libya or at home...'