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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Huge Billboard defining Woman for Labour Conference

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NettleTea · 11/09/2018 20:16

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/labours-refusal-to-accept-the-definition-of-a-woman/

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Flozen · 12/09/2018 11:12

How do you think it would play if someone put up a billboard defining white people?

I think it would look awful. Isn’t this what Posie is doing?

Elephantinacravat · 12/09/2018 11:21

How do you think it would play if someone put up a billboard defining white people?

Eh? White people aren't having their rights eroded by anyone are they? Women are. Hence the need to remind everyone what a woman actually is, so that sex based rights can remain.

UpstartCrow · 12/09/2018 11:24

No it isnt. do try to engage your brain and think about how future generations of women are going to talk about safeguarding, menstruation and menopause, stillbirth, miscarriage, infertility, PCOS, ovarian cancer, fibroids, FGM; these are things that happen to women because of our sex.

You don't have to be ashamed of being a woman. Its not a dirty word. Don't be so quick to give it away.

ColePorter · 12/09/2018 11:25

Flozen ethnicity is not a binary issue, unlike sex.

I can feel and identify as Chinese, but unless I am of Chinese heritage, no one should be forced to accept my claim of being Chinese or decried as bigots for not accepting my claim.

Ereshkigal · 12/09/2018 11:26

How do you think it would play if someone put up a billboard defining white people?

LOL. Nice try. It's not in any way the same thing.

Halfeatentoast · 12/09/2018 11:30

Ah this is great!

LemonJello · 12/09/2018 11:43

I’m so excited about this! I remember us talking about billboards eons ago, so glad it is actually happening!

lunamoth581 · 12/09/2018 12:39

How do you think it would play if someone put up a billboard defining white people?

Y’know, if I saw a billboard that said:

White people: belonging to or denoting a human group having light-colored skin (chiefly used of peoples of European extraction).

I would think, yep, that’s an accurate definition of “white people” and I would go about my day.

I might be curious enough as to why someone would pay for a billboard advertising such an obvious sentiment that I would google it.

If, after looking it up, I found out that there were some white people, who, despite being born white and raised in a white family, “identified” as black. And that these white people were justifying their “black identities” using the most blatant racists stereotypes of black people. And that, furthermore, these white people were demanding access to scholarships, programs, groups and spaces set up for black people to redress racial imbalance in a racists society. And that these white people were demanding that black civil rights groups center them in their activism, because they are more oppressed than people who were born with black skin. And that these white people were making violent threats against black people who pointed out that being dark-skinned in a racist society is an actual, lived, material condition that one cannot identify into and out of. And that some of these white people were attempting to silence black people talking about their experiences as dark-skinned people in a racist society, even going so far as physically assaulting a black person.

Well, I’d think those white people were pretty damned racist, and any political party championing the cause of white people identifying as black people pretty damned racist.

But that’s just me.

seafret · 12/09/2018 15:44

Donated!

Awks · 12/09/2018 15:51

Posie Parker is fabulous for doing this. I watched her Facebook live rant today and have wobbled my head sufficiently to speak out and say no fucking way. Just no to all this nonsense any more.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 12/09/2018 16:26

Good response Luna!

speakingwoman · 12/09/2018 16:31

I saw "feminine rights" and reached for the credit card...

stillathing · 12/09/2018 16:49

Exactly luna!

There's no argument against this statement that doesn't ultimately help the GC position. Hence #nodebate.

noeffingidea · 12/09/2018 17:14

Have the trantrums started on twitter yet? Can't wait, it's going to be so funny reading them. It might even top the narcisstic drama over the pink pussy hats at the woman's marches.
No it's not all about you. #sorry not sorry.

2rebecca · 12/09/2018 17:23

Yes, have had to leave it after mimmymum posted about what a waste of money it was and how it wasn't what those donating to Posie's fund would have wanted and I thanked her for publicising it and said it was an excellent use of money. It was followed by posts on how the money should have been given to women's refuges and I got told to "wind my neck in" (they get stroppy quickly) when I replied that women's refuges will no longer be refuges for women if the word woman becomes meaningless.
Sad to see women going along with this nonsense, maybe mimmymum isn't a woman. I lose track of who is who online.
I reminded me of the song "Said Judas to Mary". Not sure who is meant to be Jesus here though. Maybe the definition of "woman" is Jesus.
Getting waffly, time to go out.

Elephantinacravat · 12/09/2018 18:07

Have the trantrums started on twitter yet?

Yes. Apparently a billboard saying 'Woman: Adult Human Female' is 'violence'.

Huge Billboard defining Woman for Labour Conference
Ereshkigal · 12/09/2018 18:14

Oh the hyperbole. The literal violence of it.

PersistenceIsNotFutile · 12/09/2018 18:24

Can anyone actually explain how the dictionary definition of woman actually forces transwomen to erase themselves? HOW? I WANT TO KNOW.

MadamBatty · 12/09/2018 18:27

Violence, really?

Luna your response is great. Reminds me of the Ali G sketch, is it because I is black?

MindTheMinotaur · 12/09/2018 20:47

Luna, it isn't just you, Grin.

Posie is great. Officially.

MipMipMip · 12/09/2018 21:06

All dictionaries should be burned.

I've wanted for a while to put in every paper a full page ad of Stonewall's definition of transgender and the website for the GRA consultation. That's all. Sadly I can't afford it. But this will cheer me up anyway.

seafret · 12/09/2018 22:02

elephantinamask that tweet says transmasc. Second time I have seen that lately.

I am wondering why they do not use the term transman. Can anyone shed any light? I am under the impression that calling a transwoman transfeminine would give them the rage. What is the distinction I wonder.

speakingwoman · 12/09/2018 22:10

I also wondered what transmasc meant

Ereshkigal · 12/09/2018 22:12

I am wondering why they do not use the term transman. Can anyone shed any light? I am under the impression that calling a transwoman transfeminine would give them the rage. What is the distinction I wonder

Non binary?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 12/09/2018 22:13

The masc/femme thing is gaining traction as activists seek to argue that it is not the case that women/ girls are oppressed globally and through history due to the whole babies thing,

But feminine people who are oppressed for, um, reasons.

Therefore feminism needs to work hardest for trans women girls etc as they are the most oppressed,
And everyone should shut the fuck up about fgm, abortion, rape, periods etc s these are irrelevant, exclusive and furthermore totally gross and icky.

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