BBC Breakfast

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Talking about self ID now.

Well that was rubbish!

Debbie managed to get a bit in though...

Didn't see it but getting Debbie on - at least they made the effort to get someone trans representing a different viewpoint from the usual

Absolutely bloody FUMING at that.

Random transman.
Stephen Whittle transman.
Debbie.

Cos it has absolutely nothing to do with women, does it?

(Thanks for trying though, Debbie. I notice you didn't get the sad music. That was just for the first two.)

Not impressed they think only women's groups have any concerns. All a bit pro self-id.

On iplayer at 8.58am

I noticed the sad music 🎵
Was a rubbish piece
Beach , sad music. Sadness

At least they are saying something about it! If you have only been watching BBC news the last few years, you would have no idea what has been going on.

The sad music did piss me off!

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

For the next couple of hours you can move the time bar back to 8.58 and view it.
It was only 3 minutes long. Stephen Whittle and Debbie Hayton and a young FTM transistioner.

It was very emotionally manipulative. The poor young trans man gazing to the sea.

Yeps but it was like they were forced into running a piece

Oh feck we had better do a quick piece

Sad vic got shafted yesterday by Hudson

So here we go
Sad music beach, glittering sea. 2 transmen. Sad sad stories

Debbie given a couple of mins at end , no sad story

Yes, Debbie got a fraction of the time. Not very balanced!

Wonder if it was a hastily convened/scheduled piece in response to the Victoria D Tara thingy debacle yesterday?

You know, "BBC balance" and all that

Emotional puff piece to counteract Tara’s bird flipping yesterday? Steven Whittle is their big gun, one of the architects of the movement ant very adept at manipulation and has been on here before. Wouldn’ Believe a word.

No women.

After all, who gives a fuck about the women?

Emotion is the weapon of choice as there is no cohesive argument.

Emotional puff piece to counteract Tara’s bird flipping yesterday?

Yep. The BBC are a disgrace. It's no one else's fault they chose to feature an unstable volatile male.

Sad vic got shafted yesterday by Hudson

So here we go
Sad music beach, glittering sea. 2 transmen. Sad sad stories

Debbie given a couple of mins at end , no sad story

Exactly this.

Stephen Whittle was a founder member of Press for Change. Interviewed in The Guardian article 2013 which provides important background to their motivations and influene:
(extract)
'Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says [Christine] Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press".

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Relevent threads etc:
Involved in the drafting of Yogykarta pinciples:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

Provided briefing for some of the panel members on Channel 4s GenderQuake Debate:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

Commented on MN:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

Young People in Care toolkit:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

''Sex Changes'? Paradigm Shifts in 'Sex' and 'Gender' Following the Gender Recognition Act?'
by Stephen Whittle and Lewis Turner
Manchester Metropolitan University
www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

advised Facebook re UK list of Genders:
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

Featured as a 'superhero' CBBC 'I am Leo'

2015 Appointed specialist adviser to the Women & Equalities Committee on Transgender Equalities matters:
www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/women-and-equalities/Formal-Minutes/2015-20-Parliament/Formal-Minutes-2015-16.pdf

No women. After all, who gives a fuck about the women?

If you take the view that trans-women are men, not women; why are trans-men not women then?

If you take the view that trans-women are men, not women; why are trans-men not women then?

I do take the view that TM are women.

I meant that a pro-woman view, articulated by a woman, was not deemed germane to the BBC segment. As you well know.

R0wan you are so on the ball with your links. Thank you from me, because it does make a difference to our argument.

There's so much important information, knowledge and comments on FWR threads & things seem to be moving very quickly gendercritter

Journalists need to be asking much better questions.

I meant that a pro-woman view, articulated by a woman, was not deemed germane to the BBC segment. As you well know.

That's the thing. Lucas and Stephen did victims' greatest hits including the possibility of suicide.

Debbie managed to get in the salient point for those with dysphoria - that if there is no assessment, there would be no confidence in the system and that would rebound on the transsexual community. I agree with this and I think it's important that view is heard because this policy may ultimately hurt those who are supposedly being helped but are the most vulnerable within that community to it being done wrong.

The segment wasn't framed as voices within the community - and if it had been, it was still grossly one sided as they had two people clearly in favour and squeezed Debbie in at the end - but they specifically mentioned women's groups but didn't get anyone from one to speak.

That's the thing. Lucas and Stephen did victims' greatest hits including the possibility of suicide.

Did the BBC provide a link to Samaritans for those who may be affected?

No. No Samaritans link. The whole thing was done and dusted in three minutes. The anchors introduced it as ‘controversial’ but said nothing at all afterwards. Just made sad faces and segued into the next bit, if I recall correctly!