Goldsmiths LGBT society says feminists should be sent to a gulag.

[DJLippy]

Goldsmiths, home of witch hunting transwoman Natasha Kennedy needs to sort itself out.

Last night they started harassing a load of 'T*rfs' on Twitter and then today they suggested they might like to spend some time in a gulag - before going on to write a rather long, propaganda piece in their defense.

twitter.com/lgbtqgold/status/1039140880731521025.

I didn't think leftists like this actually existed.

Is this a real account?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3359116-The-Times-smear-campaign-by-trans-lecturer-at-Goldsmiths

So universities in Britain are releasing young people into the Wild who are convinced in their conviction that people should be tortured and die due to their opinons on a topic.

How is that okay?

I don’t remember the gay rights movement suggesting all homophobes should be rounded up and tortured, more that if correct education was given, the amount of homophobia would be less.

Where has this insidious idea that those who don’t believe differently to you should be murdered? Who is suggesting these ideas of prisons without crimes?

Wtf

Oh my giddy aunt, I honestly thought that account was a parody

I think we need to stop characterising parts of this movement as silly, and start taking them deadly seriously. These people aren't kidding: they see value in enforced thought, mandatory obedience, the usefulness of lies. Civilisation doesn't naturally always get more progressive, but that's what this type of person wants you to believe, when actually they're pushing for the opposite.

This is exactly what Timothy Snyder highlights in "On Tyranny", which looks at the behaviours that are necessary to enable a totalitarian society to flourish.

He talks about the danger of "heedless conformity" and "anticipatory obedience" in enabling people to rob you of your power. We have to resist. He says the truth dies in four modes - the first three can be seen in action anywhere within transactivism. The fourth isn't fully formed yet (or is it?).

1. open hostility to verifiable reality, which takes the form of presenting inventions and lies as if they were facts (such as the anger with which the statements "women don't have penisis" or "lesbians are female homosexuals" are greeted. Or the fervour with which the lie of razors behind stickers raced round the world. Believing clitorises are short penises. Males have ladybrains. I could go on for a long time on this one).

1. shamanistic incantation (Transwomen are women)

1. Magical thinking or the open embrace of contradiction (humans can change sex; transwomen are the same as women, but women can't be transwomen. Again, many many examples of this)

1. Misplaced faith. I think this is still forming, but the whole genderist position is a faith-based one- what is a gender identity but a soul by another name?

I'm sorry to suck the fun out of the thread, laughing at complete dolts is generally something I am right up for - but this genuinely worries me

Is it really, really, not a spoof account? It sounds like a complete wind up, the jolly holiday camp descriptions of book clubs and theatre performances. (intellectuals keeping their brains going against all the odds notwithstanding)

Is it only communist 'gulags' which are being liberated into their true light, or do we await the truth about Robben Island?

And the war on intellectuals - whether scientists, doctors, historians, economists - was a full on war in the old Soviet Union (and to an even greater degree in Mao's China) because there is nothing repressive authoritarians hate more than someone who refuses to say 2+2=5 just because the regime says so (one of my favourite memes on the now-deleted thread was the one of the BB style eye on a red ground, with the slogan "How many penises am I holding up, Winston?")

Also the old Soviet era joke - why do KGB men go round in threes? One can read, one can write, and the other one is there to keep an eye on the two intellectuals. (And let us not forget that Putin was a very high ranking KGB officer prior to the fall of Communism.)

Thank you ladies and gents (no assumptions of gender) for a brilliant morning read.

Funny funny. What daft kids. WE WILL RE-EDUCATE YOU IN GULAG. YOU VAGINA OWNERS.

Bertrand, a friend's son went to Goldsmith's and is very embarrassed to admit it. He says 'London' if asked where he studied and if pushed he will qualify with 'but it was different then'. I would strongly discourage any child I care about from going there.

And the war on intellectuals
Death of Stalin film too, when the doctors have been gulagged; there's no doctors to treat dying Stalin. And Khmer Rouge Cambodia: children had to report on their parents, which seems to be another principle of this cult. That was a youth cult too.

I would strongly discourage any child I care about from going there
Has any one got any advice for GC parents on HE places which have the same problems as Goldsmiths?

Has any one got any advice for GC parents on HE places which have the same problems as Goldsmiths?

That partly depends on the course. If it's something like sociology, I would be worried about a lot of places. Also on whether the applicant wants to be involved in SU politics (again, lots of places will have issues if you're GC). There's a website called Spiked which ranks universities according to whether they limit freedom of speech. A lot of the top universities are identified as having problems in this area. I do think Goldsmiths is in a league of its own, though, where staff are very much part of the problem, not only the students.

PoMo has made truth impossible. I used to say that PoMo decays, like a chemical reaction, to neoliberalism, because of its primacy of the subjective. But I think it's gone beyond that into the very thing it came about in reaction to: totalitarianism.

This.

One thing we can be sure of: pomo rots the brain.

I do think Goldsmiths is in a league of its own, though, where staff are very much part of the problem, not only the students.

You want to be a three-legged lecturer at UCL

You would settle for a two-legged three year contract at KCL.

You are a post-doc at Goldsmiths.

thanks namechanged very useful.

Bertrand I'll be less flippant if they are real!

At the end of the day they have to choose for themselves and I would say the course should be the biggest part of that. If Goldsmith’s offer something unique that they really want to study then despite all this bullshit they should probably go for it.

However all students leaving school now should be playing the game very carefully. It's basically a fierce competition amongst the 5-30 ranked unis to get the a/b/c students and fill their courses. I think there are better unis out there.

Now back to the gulag spa! Do you think we get caviar with our 140g of black bread?

Do you think we get caviar with our 140g of black bread?

Well, there are a lot of questionably educated young people (Ash Sarkar for example) demanding "luxury communism".

Houmous? Or maybe not because of the allergens.

They’ve protected twitter account so either they’ve been hacked it someone running it has been hauled in.

*Or

Thank you ladies and gents (no assumptions of gender) for a brilliant morning read.

Let us recall, that with support from others, one of Aimee Challenor's major achievements was to report a TfL driver who said, "Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen" for committing violence on the listening ears of the non-binary.

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/transport-for-london-scraps-ladies-and-gentlemen-from-tannoy-announcements-in-genderneutral-move-a3586336.html

And, of course, there was the Oyster card online application nastiness.

In November last year, I had a nasty experience on the Transport for London (TfL) Oyster card helpline. In the face of the transphobia I received

blog.aimeec.co.uk/2017/07/01/tfl/

Hi... Yeah...Like, I can't eat this bread because I try to avoid gluten? Can I get a gluten-free ration? And a skinny soy decaff organic latte with cinnamon and ground chia seeds?

Or because they are upset by people disagreeing with them and are having a group hug back in their echo chamber.

That's what I imagine a luxury communist might need to go through in the gulag.

Well, there are a lot of questionably educated young people (Ash Sarkar for example) demanding "luxury communism".

Fully automated, no less. You can even buy the t-shirt.

The revolution will be merchandised.

Would this affect whether you wanted to send your kids to Goldsmiths or whether you would employ someone from Goldsmiths?

This damages the entire university's reputation. And that tweet has been seen by many more than feminists.

You mean there's a difference between the tripe that Goldsmiths produces and parody?

Bertrand I went to G/S.

Depends on the course - for the actual arts/performing arts, it’s brilliant, albeit incredibly harsh and competitive.

I suspect that’s some of the problem, the (actually appropriate) Pomo theory around the flagship arts courses has leaked all over the union and then into subject areas where it’s not at all relevant, even downright stupid.

So, depends on the kid and depends on the course.
Happy to answer questions!