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Karen White case to be discussed in parliament - please tweet

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Wanderabout · 09/09/2018 21:12

Maria Caulfield MP has responded positively to requests to discuss the issues brought up by the Karen White case to be discussed in parliament:

mobile.twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1038783181984555010

This is great news.

Please tweet if you can to say thank you for raising this, and to ask for it to be raised as an urgent question (UQ) rather than during justice questions at PMQs.

A UQ will mean more time and discussion so a better option.

But whatever happens it's great this will be discussed. The current situation is clearly putting vulnerable women at risk, nice to see their needs now being considered.

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R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 12:54

It's really important to reiterate that this is a cross-party issue.

There is a significant risk that it will be framed as 'loony-lefty PC gone mad' policies.

The focus surely needs to be on those who have so succesfully lobbied and had such unchecked influence on policy and legislation?

Maria Miller Conservative MP (amongst others) has been key to promoting the views of TRAs:

July 2017 extract from Janice Turner's interview (its worth reading in full on the thread below):

"The heart of the controversy is the view, espoused by Ms Miller’s report, that switching gender should instead merely be a matter of “self-definition”. A man need only “declare” that he is a woman. Your gender is what you feel it to be: there would be no requirement even to take female hormones or have surgery — about 70 per cent of trans women still have intact male genitals — or even “present” as a woman to be legally female. (Some older trans people are troubled by this, believing that it trivialises and delegitimises their struggles to live in their non-birth gender.)

Furthermore, if the law changes, “gender identity” is likely to become a protected characteristic under equalities legislation: ie if you deny a person is a woman or a man when they claim to be, you are guilty of discrimination or hate crime.

When Ms Miller, 53, released her report in January last year she was surprised that criticism came not from conservatives but, as she put it, “women who purport to be feminists”. This may be because feminists, well versed in sexual politics and long-time supporters of gay rights, are among the few people who can penetrate the arcane, confusing terminology.

Many see potential loopholes and conflicts of rights that put women at risk, giving men access to rare female-only spaces such as single-sex wards, changing rooms and domestic violence refuges, designed to keep them safe and private. It is these concerns I put to Ms Miller in her Basingstoke constituency."

concludes:
"What does she say to those who believe the government’s sudden announcement of trans reform is to counter bad publicity garnered by allying with the anti-gay marriage DUP or to win young votes. “Absolutely ludicrous!” she cries.

She says that her experience as a woman and a mother who has faced discrimination and sexism has made her receptive to the rights of minority groups such as trans people and their families. She puts the concerns of feminists about material changes to their rights and safety into the same category as religious objections, like those of the Christian bakers who refused to make a cake for a gay couple. “There are always jagged edges to the law which create tensions, and we are going into new territory here.”

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

IAmLurkacus · 10/09/2018 13:00

Oh I know it’s all of them R0wantreesThis is who backed MM’s batshit private members bill.

They ALL need to be held to account regardless of party.

Karen White case to be discussed in parliament - please tweet
R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 13:13

I really believe IAm that its those those who have lobbied, briefed and advised politicians, media and other influential organisations who need to be held to account primarily.

That's not to negate that politican's have to take responsibility but many have accepted and absorbed briefings in good faith.

R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 13:13

Arghh errant apostrophe- apologies!

NothingOnTellyAgain · 10/09/2018 14:18

Labour are 100% in favour of TWAW and should be able to do whatever they want based on self ID alone (ie no GRC, no drugs, no change of clothes or name, no shaving of beard etc)

OlennasWimple · 10/09/2018 14:42

that Mermaids tweet.... Are we not allowed to be "self-identified GC women"? Does someone have to assign to us whether we are GC or not? Hmm

PineappleSunrise · 10/09/2018 14:45

I have to confess I really didn't understand the use of "self-identified" in that context. Do you think they've just typed it so often their muscle memory automatically adds it whenever they are thinking of the word "women?"

BabySharkDoododoo · 10/09/2018 17:47

Women are 'playing' MPs, by being concerned about rapists being in female jails, and making sure it does not happen again? Really? Honestly Hmm Same as women afraid of male violence are just transphobic, and anyone who does not agree that mammals can change sex (by thinking it..too..even more odd) is a raging bigot.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 15:13

David Davies MP @DavidTCDavies
@WomansPlaceUK @manFRIDAY_ Parliament should urgently discuss placement of male sex offenders in female prisons. Vulnerable female prisoners at risk. Sorry my request for an urgent question was refused. Will keep trying.

James Kirkup @jameskirkup
Govt policy put a rapist in a women’s prison. Women suffered sexual assault as a result. MPs asked to debate this and question ministers. Speaker John Bercow said No. That is a disgusting political failure.

Karen White case to be discussed in parliament - please tweet
bzzbeebzz · 12/09/2018 15:44

FFS

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