The magnificent Jane Clare Jones

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I think she's thoroughly great already, and she has just published this on "Gay Rights and Trans Rights – A Compare and Contrast"

janeclarejones.com/2018/09/09/gay-rights-and-trans-rights-a-compare-and-contrast

Subtitle So, Momentum made a video huh?

Enjoy

I did some research on suicide post transition because people keep quoting the Karolinsks trial or the (allegedly) recent British review:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374618-Moving-article-about-regret

I also love her just for using the word 'princesexual'.

Thanks Arran. So are there any reliable figures at all? Is it negligible or is there a small percentage?

tl;dr There are no reliable figures for suicide in this group. Overall, and I searched very thoroughly, we're nowhere near robust statistics.

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Earlier studies are hampered by the very different dosages of hormone therapy that are known to have a substantial impact on mood/mental health etc. The surgical techniques then had different consequences. And this is why figures can vary across time periods.

We need longitudinal studies to assess suicide risk but they will always be slightly ??? because of advances in medical technology and (even) social attitudes over time.

And, people can withdraw their consent to have their data included - researchers have altered the ways in which they account for this over time and this can (inadvertently) cause very complex contexts for interpreting data.

And, data can disappear partway through because the people involved may need to halt transition for medical reasons (e.g., the hormones are causing serious health complications).

Overall, and I searched very thoroughly, we're nowhere near robust statistics.

Thanks Arran, much appreciated.

Dearest Awesome Women of Mumsnet,

It's me, Jane. I just wanted to say hi, and thank you for this, and to tell you my mum and dad found it yesterday and phoned me because they were so excited I had my own thread on mumsnet!

And I also wanted to give respect to you for all the incredible incredible work you have done over here. It has made so much difference.

xxxx

Jane! Welcome! You are fab! Please continue writing with such clarity and bringing philosophy to a wider audience of women.

Signed

Fangirl Lang

Hello Jane! Welcome to Mumsnet.

We actually met at WPUK in Brighton and had a drink in the pub afterwards- total fangirl here.

Another fan here. Thank you for speaking out. And thank you for explaining Judith Butler to me!

LadyPrincesexual - it's so good to see you here. I was a little concerned when I noticed that your Twitter account is now protected and hoped that you hadn't had to do this because you were being overwhelmed by people protesting loudly at you there!

You are mentioned in so many places here and your writing is educational and widely shared.

Thank you.

Hi Jane! [waves]
Love your style and your work!
Thanks for being one of the coolest gender-critical voices on Twitter.

Gosh. Jane herself! No one else has ever been able to explain post modern thought to me. I bow down.

OMFG!!!!!! Jane is here!!!

I've come over all embarrassingly fangirl but I have to say that your blog and the episode of The Reality Report linked to here are so brilliant at explaining "difficult" concepts like queer theory & PoMo - so clear (unlike Judy!) and utterly fascinating.

Admire your work on Twitter too.......

squee

also sweetly amused that JCJ's ma and pa re googling their daughter - or are mumsnetters

looks jealously at arran's measured post of appreciation and welcome. I SOUND LIKE A WEIRDO

Hey all, this is really lovely of you - and it really means a great deal to me, thank you.

I'm not sure what to do now as I'm not sure if mumsnet lets me post gifs of Prince looking slightly embarrassed...

In endless solidarity xx

I'm not sure if mumsnet lets me post gifs of Prince looking slightly embarrassed

yeah that's fine you're only allowed 30 a day tho

(actually I do have a question - do you like the Prince 1983 microphone piano album that spotify keeps playing? I luffs it. Is all prince this good) o no two questions

Yes, I luff it too :) And no, it's not all that good. There is SO MUCH of the live work (we have rehearsals and shows and soundchecks and jams and demos, it's endless, the dude basically played 10 hours a day for his whole life), and some of it is mediocre, and some of it is frankly terrible, but an awful lot of it is that good, and a lot of it is better than that.

Here's my mixcloud: www.mixcloud.com/JustEnoughToTurnUOn/

There's a mix of some of the other piano work there... and I also particularly like the watermix, which is all versions of one song over the whole of his career, and really shows his stylistic range...

:)

Adding in this very useful JCJ Twitter thread (one of the spin-offs of Shariatmadari ill-informed deconstruction of Janice Turner's recent column):

twitter.com/helenstaniland/status/1061641719085760512

Quite the barnstormer on Ontological Totalitarianism by Numbers broken down into 30 bullet points.

21. People refusing to validate your identity may be painful.
22. Something being painful is not conceptually identical to it being a moral harm, structural violence, or an act of oppression.
23. Not getting our needs met is sometimes painful.
24. Sometimes our needs don’t get met because other people also have needs, beliefs, and interests.
25. Thinking you must always have you needs met and refusing to understand why other people may not meet your needs, is narcissistic entitlement.

janeclarejones.com/2018/12/08/ontological-totalitarianism-by-numbers/

Oh that's brilliant.

wow

I wonder if this is a particularly interesting example of ontological totalitarianism in the screenshot here:

There are disrespectful thoughts, even in the thoughts we keep to ourselves...
Misgendering a trans person, even in the secrecy of our own mind, not telling anyone, and gendering them correctly in all overt behaviour, the misgendering that happens in our mind is still disrespectful.

twitter.com/receipts4u/status/1070664610506788864

It does remind me of many sermons on the topics of being Pharisees etc. and the settled religious principle that one should always feel sinful and guilty.

I think a couple of people here have talked about diversity training they've had at work given by MTF trans people and they said the MTF person said that they actually had to believe it as they could tell if they were lying and that's invalidating.

It is very important that workplace “training” be the vector for disseminating transcult nonsense to adults. Because work is the place where you have no right to free speech.