MNHQ threadpulling- the Manchester Pride thread

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I am very disappointed to see this message when looking for the Manchester Pride thread:
‘thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: We think the wording in the OP post is a bit much - so we're going to take the thread down now.’

That was a key thread with constructive resources about an incident at Manchester Pride which could have been a homophobic (against lesbians) hate crime and was arguably inciting violence and wishing to stop free speech and peaceful legal demonstration at London Pride.
The incident was - from memory as described on the deleted thread- a compere on stage at Manchester Pride saying that the Get the L Out demonstrators at London Pride ‘should have been dragged off by their saggy old tits’.

Something nonsexist and inclusive like that, you know, really in the true spirit of Pride and everything.

Constructive resources had been linked to on the thread about investigating and dealing appropriately with the incident- including one of the Get the L out protestors was posting on there. There were links to ways of joining in the listening exercises run by the organisers (suggested to try to prevent a repeat next year.

Various posters were saying they had felt uncomfortable with the atmosphere at Pride given comments of that kind.

The thread itself was really constructive and responded to an important issue about inclusivity for women and lesbians. I think it really was in the spirit of MN.

I don’t recollect the wording of the OP but surely that could have been edited rather than delete the whole thread? There wasn’t an issue with the thread as a whole.

I am really disappointed @MNHQ about this imbalance on the use of the ban-hammer.

Could I respectfully ask you please to kindly consider putting this thread back in your ‘pending decision’ category - so with a chance of reinstating the thread while you reconsider the balance- rather than deleting the whole thread because of wording in the OP?

Thank you and sorry for the extra work- we do very much appreciate MN as a place to talk within the guidelines and lurk and we do recognise that modding is very resource-intensive. We do also appreciate that a lot of the time you don’t pull threads that you are strongly being urged to.

Wow, I thought that was a balanced, thoughtful and informative thread. More importantly a factual thread. There were no insults being thrown around that I saw.

Can’t understand why it was pulled at all. If transright activists don’t like their behaviour being judged and discussed maybe they should not behave how they did?

Poor show MNHQ.

It's exhausting isn't it. The threads run long enough for women to put their time, energy and effort into it then, poof! Shows you why we still need to keep going though, even though the odds are never in our favour.

We ARE making headway, people ARE listening. So, even though women are having their words deleted as they aren't nice enough, we will keep going. When women's words are deleted from a feminist board on a site aimed at women it highlights the need for feminism.

I don't normally disagree with mumsnet decisions on pulling posts but that is ridiculous.

It did seem like a strange decision to me. And a saddening one. We really, really, really need to be able to discuss the increasing discourse of encouraging violence against women among supposedly liberal types and this was a prime example.

I tend to agree with MNHQ on many deletions, but this whole thread? Really?
Such a clear example of misogyny and lesbophobia?

The thread itself just wasn’t hateful.
It was discussing speech that was hateful. The speech was encouraging sexualised violence against lesbians- a protected group. Someone on stage addressing a crowd at Pride about ‘violently’ dragging lesbians off ‘by their saggy old tits’?

I find it concerning that just the OP wording- so not the thread posts themselves and not its title- could be enough for a whole important thread to be binned.

Why couldn’t an OP thread be edited and thread left to stand? I didn’t think that was how the rules worked. It wasn’t a Swiss cheese thread. I get it that those are pulled eventually.

Sorry- error message- that should have been within quote marks, ie ‘dragging’. Allegedly the word used was dragging.
‘Violently’ shouldn’t have been in quote marks- that word wasn’t a quotation. Nobody has said that word was used by the speaker. My bad with using quote marks in haste.

There is this thread still

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350481-Homophobic-attack-against-lesbians-at-Manchester-Pride-Thread-title-edited-at-OPs-request

''Message from MNHQ: We think the wording in the OP post is a bit much - so we're going to drag the thread off by its saggy tits.’'

Fixed that for you.

It's exhausting isn't it. The threads run long enough for women to put their time, energy and effort into it then, poof! Shows you why we still need to keep going though, even though the odds are never in our favour.

This.

So it's a bit much that women protest at misogynistic violence and sexist language on a women's board? Wow.

I've reported the OP to ask MNHQ to reconsider their decision.

I reported the OP too, asking for a reconsideration of the decision.

Really bad decision by @MNHQ. What happened? Was there another trans activist intern at the wheel late last night? Can you see who made that decision, and why? And reinstate the thread. Women must be able to identify and talk about misogynistic hate speech. This is being debated in Parliament right now, is of enormous public interest and you should not be silencing women challenging misogyny like the disgraceful 'drag them off by their saggy old tits' comment at 'Pride'.

Thanks for reporting the OP as well. I didn’t think of that!

@mnhq, the wording in thread title was a lot OT but that's not the OP's fault because she was just quoting what someone else had said. What he said was "OT" but more importantly it was misogynistic and insulting. Are we not allowed to draw attention to misogynistic insults now? Is it unseemly and unladylike for women to quote such words?

I don't understand what the problem with the OP was

Ill be honest and say i don't remember every word but the poster concerned wasnt being rude as far as i recall

They just quoted stuff...aimed at BIOLOGICAL WOMYN

This has happened a couple of times where there is apparently an issue in the OP, after a lot of posts. However OP's can be edited in other circumstances so I have been confused by some of these decisions.

cf www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284251-Lisa-Muggeridge-Suspended-by-Twitter-and-Quoting-her-breaches-MN-Guidelines

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3219506-Boston-Marathon-2nd-version

R0wan- yes me too. It would be really helpful to know what the rule is.

What was the problem with the OP @MNHQ ? We don't get it.

Yes I’d like to know what was a bit much?

It was me that posted it. I changed names to standbyyourmammaryglands halfway through the thread. There wasn’t anything that was zappable I’m the thread. The only mildly offensive thing was ‘saggy tits’ - which was actually said on stage .

I’ve seen worse said on MN tbh

Be interesting to find out stand

Yup.