Man to woman; back to man; now changing back to woman again

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Blimey.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6067657/Transgender-lawyer-undergoes-gender-assignment-surgery-time.html

her money, her body I suppose.

I'm glad she has a relationship with her oldest son now.

They look better as a woman than a man. All that surgery - wow. Their poor body.

well, it's her business.

It baffles me why someone would talk about their family rifts to the press though.

Do you think? It's hard to tell in a photo and I suppose they shots are lit and posed... I guess they had facial surgery to feminise the face. It's hard to disguise m2f though. Harder than f2m I think.

I have a lot of sympathy for Samatha. I can understand why she wanted to transition back to a man to reconnect with her children and why it felt she had to transition back. All that surgery must be brutal.
From the article it seems like she’s someone with gender disphoria (not AGP). Wonder what the book is like.

she's better looking than me!

Is this the binge purge thing that the widows say characterises AGP?

A confused individual. I don't want to comment further except to say let adults do this if they want to but safeguard any children who might be encouraged to go down a similar path.

Interesting that when they transitioned back to a man they didn’t return to their birth name. You can’t tell me that isn’t a person with serious MH issues. It isn’t ladybrain vs. man brain, it’s someone having multiple surgeries in pursuit of happiness and not finding it.

Hmmm

"At first she was thrilled with her transformation, but seven years later, Samantha made the shocking public declaration that life as a woman was disappointing and ‘shallow’.*

Going shopping was boring, female conversation dull, hormones made her moody. The sex wasn’t much good. Men didn’t take her seriously as a businesswoman and privately mocked her for not being a ‘real woman’."

At the time engaged to a beautiful 28-year-old woman called Victoria, Charles insisted he’d been ‘deluded’ to ever think he was a woman trapped in a man’s body. Victoria called him ‘all man’.

Perhaps there's a little rewriting of history going on here.

And yes, MH issues which seems to mean forever chasing the impossible.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4369636/amp/The-London-lawyer-s-changed-gender-THREE-times.html

Have you read the previous article?
When Kane detransitioned?
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1026392/A-British-tycoon-father-man-woman---man---knows-hed-be.html

Blimey, the “detransitioning” article is quite some read. And sad to see Sam/Samantha/Charles say they wished they were the man they were before the surgeries.

This is something else though:

Even though I was a woman physically, in many ways I felt I still had a male brain. I was still interested in the world, what was happening, current affairs, business and sport, but the women I mixed with didn't share that interest to the same degree.

"In fact, I found being a woman rather shallow and limiting. So much depends on your appearance, at the expense of everything else. I wasn't interested in shopping

Christ.

Also, of note is this personal view by Barbara Amiel, in the Telegraph from 2004, which references the case of Kane

This quote in particular:
If gender is only a matter for some gender recognition panel's decision, I can't see how we can prevent the next obvious step: people declaring themselves another gender and sending a postcard to the authorities kindly requesting their new birth certificates.

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3603195/Women-may-have-it-better-but-not-everyone-wants-to-be-one.html

Ah, they've got a book out.

I sympathy - all that surgery and back and forth and so on.

OTOH "Going shopping was boring, female conversation dull, hormones made her moody. The sex wasn’t much good. Men didn’t take her seriously as a businesswoman and privately mocked her for not being a ‘real woman’."

???
You dont' have to go shopping
(Apart from you kind of do if you are a professional woman because you can't get away with wearing the same suit day in day out)
Female conversation was dull >> well that's not a massive sexist generalisation
Hormones made her moody and sex was crap >>> yes, and?
Men didn't take her seriously and secretly mocked her for not being a "real woman" >> another yes, and?

It really seems that for a lot of men who transition to women, they are chasing a fantasy of what they think it is like to be female. There is crossover here with the piece linked on the "why are men so angry with women" thread - so many don't see women as real people, not really, and view us in terms of stereotypes, "types" of women. As a group they are quick to dismiss our complaints of all types. But the complaints here - shopping is dull, sex is crap, hormonal changes can make you feel shitty, men don't take you seriosuly and take the piss behind your back - these are all common female experiences.

I think that the fantasy doesn't really match the reality and many men have a skewed idea of what life is like for women.

For individuals though >> if they are happy now then that's good

At a group level - the redefinition of woman / girl to a feeling in a person's head can only mean bad things for women and girls.

And they say it isn't about stereotypes [baffled]

"Even though I was a woman physically, in many ways I felt I still had a male brain. I was still interested in the world, what was happening, current affairs, business and sport, but the women I mixed with didn't share that interest to the same degree.

"In fact, I found being a woman rather shallow and limiting. So much depends on your appearance, at the expense of everything else. I wasn't interested in shopping"

Oh wow.
Just oh wow fucking hell.
That is so so so offensive.

I heard a bit of an interview with this person on Radio 4. They sound extremely...confused.

Link to listen again

It is a sad story as they were clearly confused.
However the female stereotypes are awful.I wake up in the morning and spend an age choosing my lipstick and then go shopping.
No time for work or listening to radio 4.
In fact anyone can apply a bit of make up these days and plenty of men shop so I think they must have been brought up with very restrictive ideas about men and women.

I read that and thought 'that's gender fluid right there' and then read the bit about being born in Iran and thought no, gay and/or AGP.

Iraq

AveABanana, that's not racist at ALL.

but highest rate of sex change surgery is in Iran, where homosexuality is a capital offence, I imagine Iraq is similar, so not really racist no

I despair at the medics who pander to this. I generally think this about most plastic surgery, what a massive waste of skills and resources for profit, but with this I think the same x100

I wasn't being racist - in countries like Iran if you fancy men it's "easier" to be trans than homosexual. One is a 'mistake' - the other an abomination.

Even though I was a woman physically, in many ways I felt I still had a male brain. I was still interested in the world, what was happening, current affairs, business and sport, but the women I mixed with didn't share that interest to the same degree.

"In fact, I found being a woman rather shallow and limiting. So much depends on your appearance, at the expense of everything else. I wasn't interested in shopping"

Jesus fucking H Christ.