Man to woman; back to man; now changing back to woman again

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Blimey.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6067657/Transgender-lawyer-undergoes-gender-assignment-surgery-time.html

Wow, this person is really confused. Though not as confused as I am by now.

Perhaps women simply didn't want to talk to this person, or feel comfortable enough with them to engage on a deeper level.

This is just a wild stab in the dark, but I don't think self awareness is this person's forte.

Just a wee saddo promoting book

Cripes a girl gotta earn a buck or 2

Give her/ him a break.

Ones go5 ones surgeries to pay for

Crazy and totally unfounded guess, I know, but perhaps telling women that you know all they care about is shopping does not give the best first impression or suggest to them that you might be a good person to talk politics with.

Is £100k the going rate for a full sex change or whatever the operation is called?

Surely having your bits removed/refashioned/rebuilt/removed/refashioned must mean lack of sexual function/orgasm? Sounds like a shit state of affairs.

I'd think the more times you have your bits rearranged the less sensitivity you'd retain too, and the more scar tissue you'd build up, which is its own issue.

I’m guessing this person had way more surgery than “just” genitals and breast implants, hence the price tag. In fact the article mentions Adam’s apple removal and vocal cord tightening to change pitch, which is more unusual. I’m guessing all sorts of facial and possibly body work too. Yikes.

This story has had me singing Istanbul (not Constantinople) all evening

I am startled anew each time, by the realisation that men do not see women as real people, with responsibilities, interests, concerns and experience.

Do they not get that Sex in the City is fiction?

And for all his/her/his/her vaunted interest in current affairs, it appears to have escaped their notice that there are women such as Teresa May and Angela Merkel, and many others in the world.

I am quite sure that most women he had conversations with said as little as was possible for politeness sake and then got the hell out of Dodge.

Because most women have better things to do than tillilate ransoms with fluttery conversations about makeup and frilly underwear.

Zero sympathy for someone with more money than sense and zero insight into anything but themselves.

I'll be interested the day some bloke says, "I knew I was a woman because I packed all the school lunches, cleaned the cat tray, put a load of washing out and popped next door to see if Mrs Smith wanted anything from the supermarket".

What an absolutely sad mess. Man with at least some attraction to men, growing up in a homophobic and sexist society, feels "different" and is supported to 'change sex' later on after stressful life events. That would be my understanding of it.

What his body has gone thought is shocking to think about

... but yes, on a personal level it's hard not to feel angry at someone supposedly intelligent who unquestioningly spouts such tripe about women

I'll be interested the day some bloke says, "I knew I was a woman because I packed all the school lunches, cleaned the cat tray, put a load of washing out and popped next door to see if Mrs Smith wanted anything from the supermarket".

This.

It's so blindingly obvious, at least to women themselves, that the explanation for gender dysphoria or having a female identity is a man-made fiction.

^^
This!

Now seems a good time...

fairplayforwomen.com/press_consult/

That Barbara Ariel article from 2004 upthread seems remarkably prescient. For instance her comments re athletes competing under their acquired gender. I had no idea this was all being quietly slipped out back then.

It’s very clear to me from reading this mans experiences that a trans women lives on the edge of a women’s experience.
The reason he thinks women shop and have meaningless convos is because that’s all women ever did around him. There will have been no depth to his relationships with women and his friendships will not have been in an authentic level.
I feel like his experience in the female world is an escape for him from himself but it is in no way reflective of a woman’s experience of life.

I suspect if they hadnt been wealthy then life would have been different.

Beer

Yes.

beer I think you’re right. In the case of non-passing trans women, anyway. With passing trans women I forget they’re trans and just act with them as I would any other woman.

From the articles about this man I get the sense he is perhaps just gay or bisexual and does not know how to process it, possibly because he comes from a culture where same-sex attraction is very much suppressed and oppressed.

Datun "Is this the binge/purge effect Trans Widows describe".

In my experience, there are times that the transgender feelings are heightened and need to be indulged to the exclusion of everything and everyone else - like a psychotic drug. But, the drug wears off, and when it does the AGP person is left "hung-over" feeling foolish, sick and knowing that they have gone too far. Deep shame at the hurt they have inevitably caused by their own bad behaviour, which they see all too clearly in the cold light of day.

Then the hang-over recedes, but the shame is still there, and to make themselves feel better they take another hit of their favourite drug - the one thing that makes them feel good/sexy/un-anxious. Dressing and playing at being a "cartoon" woman is fun, then they gradually progress to it being needed all the time just to feel the same as when they first put on a pair of panties. Rinse and Repeat - Pink Fog Binge followed by Self-Loathing Depressive Purge.

This person is an extreme example as they have the money and no one (that they respect, ie not women/partners/wives) to talk them into reality. In fact, it is in most peoples interest to indulge him as he rewards them with wads of cash - if you don't have an emotional connection with this person that is a good deal - if you do have an emotional connection the only outcome is to distance yourself - as his family have - as he will only want to pay you off and not give you any of his emotional labour.

FYI Not too dissimilar to Alcoholism really - never free of the compulsion, but understanding that the drug of choice is destructive and not to be used - as it leads to personal unhappiness and loneliness.

I've reread this and I've come across as a rambling mess, hopefully someone can read and pick the bones of what I'm trying to say in a more concise/intelligent way.

Do they not get that Sex in the City is fiction?

Are you saying it wasn't a documentary? Because I was sure I'd seen David Attenborough in the background.

We get you, EmilyHoward'sWife. It's a cycle that escalates over time, and is miserable to be around for everyone. Adding more money just adds to the extremity with which it can be indulged.

Emily that's very enough, thank you. It describes the actions of so many of these AGP men in the public eye.

Enlightening