Jeremy Corbyn Facing Backlash Re. Self Id

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Amy Brookes has tabled a motion for the women's labour conference.

It's time Jeremy Corbyn realised that the behaviour of the shouty woke lefties is not a vote-winner.

It is if your objective is to be leader of a virtue-signalling party in futile opposition. Which is pretty much the Corbyn position.

Maybe Lily has taken a of poll people on Lily's Twitter? The one where you only see comments about how stunning and brave Lily is interspersed with variations on "you ok, hon?"

If LM blocks anyone who remotely questions any particle of their fantasy realm, maybe it is posible to believe everyone is onside in the face of silly things like evidence. Probably not the most sensible approach for a politician!

One of the articles about Linda Bellos claimed that LB is good mates with Jeremy Corbyn. If true, I hope that she can talk some sense into him and end this madness.

I thought JC refused to meet with LB?

I have as much faith in Corbyn on this issue as I do on his attitude to antisemitism.
None.

I guess it would seem like most people support self-ID if you'd blocked most of Twitter and could only see comment from people pre-screened to agree with you.

Meanwhile, in reality...

How can Lily Madigan claim that the majority of people agree that transwomen, are women when Pink News says only 13% of Tory voters and 18% of people generally, agree with it.

Because Lily subscribes to lists which auto blocks anyone who disagrees with her or even associates with people who disagree with her.

Lily is referring to the Social Attitudes Survey, which had results that most people would be happy for a trans person to use the toilet of their preferred "gender" rather than their actual sex. But the survey is quite old and did not explain that transgender does not mean transsexual and so would often come with penis attached.

The two professional surveys carried out that have made this difference clear have come out with only 25% and 18% support for self-ID, with significant majorities against reported across all ages groups, both sexes, and all party political affiliations.

How can Lily Madigan claim that the majority of people agree that transwomen, are women when Pink News says only 13% of Tory voters and 18% of people generally, agree with it.

Maybe they think that only a subset of people qualify for personhood. You know, the special ones. The ones with the right views.

Its very important to make the repeated point that this is a cross party issue as was so clearly demonstrated by the panel at recent Fawcett Society hosted event:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3310443-Fawcett-Society-Live-stream-from-5-30pm-Courage-Calls-Ask-her-to-stand

Its possible & likely that the Conservatives / right wing press may seek to make this a 'loony left issue'. It isn't, it cuts across politics, public and private services etc.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

LM :“Labour has used a trans inclusive definition of woman for decades and a small group of bigots won’t make us move backwards on this front.

“Things like the British Social Attitudes Survey make clear people on the whole, and overwhelmingly women are happy for trans women to be in women’s spaces."

Its amazing how this survey is cited to prove how embracing UK society is on one hand or depending on the point that is being made, the recent Stonewall survey is cited which 'proves' how dangerous & transphobic UK society is.

Both of these surveys do not actually demonstrate the conclusions that are claimed for them by some TRAs. Journalists need to be briefed about them both as they are nuanced.

Is there any way of finding out who is attending the women's conference?

I've written to my Labour MP twice and got a standard cut and paste you are a bigot and I'm not engaging with you response, so had decided she wasn't worth wasting any more energy on, as she's been such a waste of space generally I doubt she'll get through another election. BUT - if she's going to be there I'll renew my penpal relationship with her

Good. I hope the conference is swamped with TRAs. And the BBC shows their face/s. Time for the airbrushing to be exposed

Well done Amy

Doesn't the BSA survey also say that a considerable number of people don't think trans people should be teachers or police officers? Which is contradictory but it suggests many people feel they should be sympathetic to them but they're concerned about the fitness of people with gender dysphoria to perform some roles. My guess anyway.

I'll try and find a link. It was in the Guardian.

Absinthe

Not sure if that info would be available to non-party members, due to privacy issues.

What you could do, is email your local Labour councillors, either individually or as a group (or cc them into your emails to your MP) and ask that your comments be passed on to your constituency and branch women’s officers (branches are based on council voting wards) and others attending women’s conference. You could ask that they pass on your contact details and request that the women’s officers contact you? They won’t be able to pass on any contact details without express permission.

I would start with women Labour councillors in your own ward (if you have any) and then fan out to other women Labour councillors and then male councillors in your own ward (and might not bother with male councillors from other wards).

"It's the Left's own Gamergate"

twitter.com/jackappleby/status/1035139797768196096

I agree

Lily Madigan is Women's Officer and wants men in women's and girl's spaces. Do your job Madigan and start looking out for women, you useless peabrain!

Go labour women...you must get this to conference.

Worth pointing out that as of the time of writing, Lily M is the only trans Woman’s Officer in Labour, and every CLP has a WO and some branches have one too. All the others are ‘Women Classic’ (as Bill Maher recently described us 😂)

A huge number of those Labour WO have a long and active history in fighting for women’s rights (and dealing with lefty woke bros) so while it’s understandable to feel hopeless at times, there are a lot of women working away under the radar (without the press attention that Neowomen get for being braveandstunning etc).

This and the news about the emergency motion at the WEP AND Tory equalities minister expressing concern re: trans children and lack of critical questioning earlier this week means we’re only waiting for the Lib Dems to realise that ‘no debate’ is officially dead in the water.

Brilliant - thanks Betty. I'll do some research and get writing.

"The conference is in Liverpool isn't it? That will help with numbers of non-metropolitian straight talkers attending."

Seriously?!

Questioning male people is controversial?

Hasn't it always been, Zutt? It seems whenever women question anything, they are slapped down as hysterical or angry or 'phobic' in some manner. It is utterly depressing.

Really pleased that Amy has courageously done this. When I resigned from the Labour Party, I agonised over whether to stay on and fight, but in the end I didn't feel it I had the strength, and felt too disillusioned with the party, having seen the level of old fashioned sexism that abounds, and having experienced the witch hunts of the past.

I will be watching this battle for the soul of the party (part 112) with interest. I'm just afraid they're going to make complete twats of themselves and give the Tories an early Christmas present. It's been a surprise to me that the Tories haven't capitalised more on this, but I guess they're too busy implicated in the madness themselves.

I guess they're too busy implicated in the madness themselves.

Hopefully no party will seek to gain political advantage when the wider picture becomes clearer.

If politicians could act together with this so much the better.

I always think of Owen Jones on this. According to him, he had 'heard', 'on good authority', that those with executive power in Labour had listened to the objections to non-men' shortlist's, concluded the objections were coming from horrific, bigoted people (that's us told) and decided to push ahead with all speed.

As a kind of 'Fuck You!' to the objectors.

Who were mainly women.

Like us.

And women Labour members at that.

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I think Labour, or rather, the faction around Corbyn, are in hock to an ABC1 Membership, who are unable to deal with serious Class, Race and Feminist politics because their privilege causes them unease. They thus have moved onto the terrain of identity police, particularly around solidarity with a supposedly emergent sexual identity politics.

I don't hold my breath.

I'll write to my MP, and to the women attending the women's conference BUT I don't think Labour has the political subtlety to move away from this.

The Conservatives are moving - ironic, since legal self-identity, never mind self-identifying women's shortlist's, was their baby - but I think Labour is going to be left holding the bomb.

It's going to cost them.

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Mind you, I still have money on LM being a kind of bomb that goes off and takes half of Labour with her long, long before the next GE.

'Politics' not 'police'.