Edinburgh University to hand out pronoun badges

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www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/08/25/edinburgh-university-student-union-officials-hand-pronounbadges/

I will break every rule in MN's be nice to trans policy if I even make a comment.

LadybirdsAreBirds, thanks, just fees cosy is all!

The whole world should speak Turkish. He and she are not used, just 'o'.

When you're talking to the person though, you're using their name or referring to them as "you". So in that respect, what does it matter what their pronouns are? They won't hear them when they're not there and that's the only time you would say "he" or "she".

I don't mind folks, but it gets my heckles up when I see it as folx by the Woker than Thou crowd. As if -ks weren't already unisex!

How about contacting the person who posted, asking them not to police pronouns on other people's behalf, and only face to face? That way at least they have to look an individual in the face when they come out with this crap.

I think it is quite urgent to lobby senior university officers about this sirt of thing to try and avoid it becoming university policy by default anywhere.

Suffragettes I hate folx too. It makes me want to refer to people as folkos and folkas just to be contrary (don't worry, I don't actually do it!)

I know several native Spanish speakers who hate it when people (usually English-speaking Americans, apparently) use 'Latinx' and so on.

That's just so rude.

"Dear International Student,
You've just arrived in a new country and trying to get know new people and you're perhaps a bit nervous about communicating fluently in a language that isn't your mother tongue. Well, instead of being welcoming, we're going to make you use a new set of language rules. No, they're different to the ones you've learnt in every English class you've ever done. If you don't get them right, we'll punish you. But when you actually get the chance to speak to someone sane, they'll think you're mad for even asking them about this. Thus making you even more confused and unwelcome. Welcome to the UK, enjoy your study!
PS: good luck trying to find a ladies toilet!"

Just to note I know international students often have brilliant English.

viago

You need to add

And just be aware that 90% of the British population with have no clue about any of this pronoun nonsense and will just assume that its part of your own 'weird foreign' language

Can I have 'she [drumroll]' for my pronoun?

She.......de de de de de de.... is over there.

I work and study on human rights, I look forward to the course with Professor X and what she thinks about Y."
"Hi, just to remind you not to "she," unless you know it's their preferred pronoun - it's important nobody feels judged."

Presumably Professor X has a professional profile on the university website.

My professional profile starts off Lasswi is blah, blah. It then refers in later sections to "she" and "her".

I would be rather cross if someone posted

Hi, just to remind you not to "she," unless you know it's their preferred pronoun - it's important nobody feels judged."

because it would demonstrate the writer is too busy virtue signalling to take the 2 seconds needed to look up my professional profile.

It, thing, gettalife, whothefuckcares?

We desperately need to return to referring to people as 'one', as recommended by Lass. This one, that one, the other one. Each one, some one. What could possibly go wrong?

I think it is quite urgent to lobby senior university officers about this sirt of thing to try and avoid it becoming university policy by default anywhere.

If the powers that be try this at the university where I work, I will be telling them that my pronoun is “Professor” and encouraging others to do the same. I can guarantee that they will change their minds on the desirability of requesting and accepting people’s pronouns when lots of people from cleaners through to senior lecturers are demanding to be referred to as “Professor”.

So I am in the weird position of being about to renter university education and this has given me food for thought about freshers week and early seminars! My pronouns will be you and WorkingItOutAsIGo and a look of bemusement. By definition I shan’t hear a third person pronoun used about me so don’t care. I am wondering how far studied ignorance and asking people to explain things to me to justify their requests will go. I don’t want to be thrown off my course, but would like to be in the position to give a bit of strength to the young women around me.

I’m appalled and amused in equal measure that literally labelling yourself as a gender is seen as progress.

Glad this wasn’t happening when I was at university, when I would have fallen over myself to make sure I didn’t offend anyone. I don’t want to offend people now, I’ll gladly use whichever pronouns people want, but reducing us all to a pronoun and literally adorning ourselves with such a narrow idea of our identity literally cannot be progressive.

Also, I wouldn’t wear it - what would be the point. I’m obviously female, internally as well as externally. I suspect most guys won’t wear them.

So what you’ll end up with is only non-binary students literally wearing their identity on their sleeve. If you’re at extra risk of violence, surely this is unwise?

Mmm yes Deathgrip - you have made me realise it’s akin to being made to wear a pink triangle isn’t it....

Pick one and wear it upside down. Watch as heads explode trying to figure it out. Or get a white badge and sharpie on Prince's icon (as above)

Or get a white badge and sharpie on Prince's icon

I wonder how many of these woke children would even recognise Prince's symbol.

I say you roll with it and use the pronouns "purple" "rain" and "lovesexy".

What's fascinating is that this student has levied judgement on the foreign student in her assertion that it is important that no one should feel judged! With no hint of irony at all.

Could you not buzz a quick email to all lecturers on your course, asking them if they have any pronoun issues, then if they reply to the contrary, write something as simple as 'Please be assured that I have checked with all lecturers on this course and they are all happy to be referred to as their natal pronouns, so please do not let this hinder free discussion on the forum. We are keen that all students should be able to participate in full and free discussion on this forum.'

The whole gender neutral thing is so frigging patronising to the vast majority of humanity who have no issues with biological sex and the language used to describe it.

Yup that’s Edinburgh for you. I was at an HE conference there in June and at registration was asked to wear one of these stickers. I asked them if they could provide Blur or Oasis stickers instead as that would interest me more. Death stare.

This discussion of Edinburgh is reminding me of the reputation Jordan Hill Teacher Training College used to have in Glasgow. There was a popular parody that mercilessly ripped into some of the jargon-laden, then politically-hypercorrect educational theories that were indoctrinated into their (mostly disbelieving) graduate students: Jargon Hall

I am misgendered on average about twice a week as I have a name that is much much more common for men than it is for women, and I work in a very male dominated field.

I’m still alive, how about that?!? My eyes occasionally have to be retrieved from whence they have rolled though...

Being asked where “the other” engineer is offends me MUCH more. If you do a job that requires the use of a penis you shouldn’t be doing it in public wearing high vis, IMHO...