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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party

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WaddIelikeapenguin · 26/08/2018 02:36

"A young politician and transgender activist who is running for deputy leadership of the Green Party was fighting for her political life last night after it emerged that she had used her father as her election agent even though he faced charges of raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rising-greens-star-aimee-challenor-will-not-quit-over-rapist-father-kngjwc8l5

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 26/08/2018 09:54

Why is this not all over the press?

Well, silly question...

Scouts, gym, politician who, if not complicit was living and working alongside an abusive manipulator and was instrumental in attempting to shred the very safeguards which would have made that predator able to target more victims. It should be catnip!

Every time, they say lessons will be learned and they never are!

Savile - too powerful and protected by trusted institutions. A charitable celebrity would never do that!
Catholic church - too powerful and protected by trusted institutions. They're priests! They made a vow and put on a dog collar, they'd never do that!
Self I'D - too powerful and protected by political parties - TWAW! They say so and wear dresses, they'd never do that.

The only people learning are the predators who arre never going to walk past an open door.

CaitlynsCat · 26/08/2018 09:56

Fishywishyhead, not to worry see attachment

Andrew Gilligan Sunday Times Challenor Green Party
Macareaux · 26/08/2018 09:56

I'm prepared to go along with the idea that Aimee did not know what her father was perpetrating until Aimee was interviewed in relation to the charges.

I also accept that Aimee is probably a hugely fucked up person from living in that dysfunctional family.

However.

The Green Party, like Labour with Lily Madigan, are so ideologically bound to the transgender narrative and ideology that they override all common sense and evidence in their efforts to support this toxic ideology.

If Aimee considers themselves suitable to be deputy leader of a political party but did not consider that having a charged rapist and paedophile as an agent was highly inappropriate, then Aimee needs psychological help and needs to step down from public life.

I do think we have to be careful how we conflate Aimee with David Challenor's heinous crimes.

Macareaux · 26/08/2018 09:57

I didn't mean to use 'her'. I was trying to keep it pronoun free. For obvious reasons.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/08/2018 09:57

Why is this not all over the press?

There may be ongoing investigations into his links to scouts etc?

Macareaux · 26/08/2018 09:58

Also, was Challenor on bail for 3 years? If the evidence in the attic was so compelling as it seems, why was he not on remand?

RedToothBrush · 26/08/2018 10:02

Every time I read "Baloo" it gives me that chills on the back of the neck feeling. How was that alone not a red flag?

Baloo is a commonly used name for a cub leader. It is slightly less sinister than your initial reaction might be. However using it in contexts outside Scouting is more of an issue.

Juells · 26/08/2018 10:04

OrchidInTheSun

I feel very sorry for AC. They have been groomed from an early age, living in an extraordinarily toxic environment where the family is victimised by the outside world.

Yeah, it's the family that were victimised, and yeah it was the outside world that doing the victimising. 🤨

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 10:05

Would be less weird if he didn't seem to have a "thing" for seeing himself as a bear.

(How fucked up is it that I'm not sure if pointing out that a convicted child rapist may have a furry fetish is allowed on MN?)

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 26/08/2018 10:05

Yes, I can see that if there are specific ongoing investigations that can't be compromised.

But the rest?

There should be questions gale being asked of the Greens today and the Press is acting like the three monkeys.

CallingDannyBoy · 26/08/2018 10:06

Macareaux -agree with you about not conflating Aimee with his crimes but I think it raises issues of competency and judgement.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 10:07

Did you see the response from the BBC someone posted in the other thread, Alice? Apparently it's just not newsworthy enough but we wouldn't understand their complex high level editorial decisions.

JoanSummers · 26/08/2018 10:08

CaitlynsCat

Here is Aimee in June, bigging up Dad:

twitter.com/GreenPartyAimee/status/1007929605330792448

"This page does not exist"

Iused2BanOptimist · 26/08/2018 10:10

Alice perfectly summed up.

Some excellent comments on the times article.
I haven't read all the details and reports of the crimes because I don't want to so I may be missing something but I am left with many questions. I'm not understanding the timescale - was the abuse carried out on multiple occasions over a period of time? It was clearly appalling to merit 22 year sentence which is much more than many dreadful crimes get. The extensively equipped attic suggest this certainly wasn't a one off. I assume the investigation has ruled out other victims, but this sort of activity rarely involves just the one.
The three years it took to come to court is also odd. I would like to think further inquiries are ongoing - all those digital images involved other children and each one merits its own investigation.

Hattifattner · 26/08/2018 10:10

waddle
^I think it's a shame the animal cruelty charges arent mentioned."

is there more information on this?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 26/08/2018 10:11

AAK I hadn't, thank you.

That is rage inducing! Angry

Presumably like all those concerns about their stars weren't newsworthy in the past. I'm usually a staunch defender of the beeb, but they cannot allow another scandal in which silence may be taken for complicity.

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 10:12

I assume the investigation has ruled out other victims, but this sort of activity rarely involves just the one.

I'd be rather surprised if there weren't other victims.

OrchidInTheSun · 26/08/2018 10:20

Sorry Joelle - I missed out the 'believed' there. I don't believe they were victimised in case that isn't clear! I think DC is a highly manipulative predator who has groomed the whole family and their community. Hiding in plain sight

OrchidInTheSun · 26/08/2018 10:21

Juell I mean! Apologies

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 26/08/2018 10:21

I am working my way though thre thread but so far i agree completely with pywife

placemats · 26/08/2018 10:24

Wow, that tweet re Virgin Trains was deleted and done just in the last hours because I was able to access it earlier this morning.

Does the BBC not get it? This case involving David Challenor is a grooming, safeguarding and sexual abuse issue. Have they learnt nothing from the past?

dundee12 · 26/08/2018 10:26

The photo of the leaflet pretty much sums it up.

LangCleg · 26/08/2018 10:27

AC's political activism is all about destroying sex as a meaningful categorisation which will destroy safeguarding as we know it for women and children.

DC is a convicted paedophile who would have found it easier to commit crimes - as would all other male predators - in the society organised in the way AC is campaigning for.

The Green Party has been revealed to have completely abandoned any form of due diligence for party activists and officials - while simultaneously supporting AC and DC's political aims of dissolving safeguarding for women and children.

If anyone thinks this is a satisfactory state of affairs and so unimportant that the state broadcaster and other politicians should ignore it, then shame on them.

placemats · 26/08/2018 10:35

David Challenor and his wife were not circumspect when it came to protecting the identities of their children whilst in the care of social services. Their children, including Aimee are vulnerable. I believe the Green Party should remove Aimee from public office and give the support needed. The GP should also be ashamed of the disgraceful statement made regarding the imprisonment of paedophile and child rapist David Challenor.

I'm still in shock about this. The more I read the more I get angry. No lessons have been learnt.

TimeLady · 26/08/2018 10:39

Let's not forget that Jess Bradley is a self-confessed advocate of 'restorative justice' and prison abolition:

www.nusconnect.org.uk/articles/six-things-you-can-do-to-show-solidarity-with-trans-prisoners

www.nusconnect.org.uk/elected-officers/trans-officer

It's a murky pond.....