Let’s talk about how safeguarding is being disregarded

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It seems like safeguarding is being thrown out the window in favour of gender ideology.
Many of us on this site work in social care, teaching, health care and similar professions where we are well versed in safeguarding principles. Many of us struggle to see such a core framework thrown out in favour of protecting feelings.

Perhaps we should go through point by point and provide evidence of how and why safeguarding principles, procedures and practices are being thwarted and broken down?

Safeguarding children
www.gov.uk/topic/schools-colleges-childrens-services/safeguarding-children

LemonJello
GIRES - E learning course - Caring for Gender Nonconforming Young People : cs1.e-learningforhealthcare.org.uk/public/GEV/GEV_01_001/story_html5.html?lms=1

In Module 2 - an exercise about a primary school child Maisie (4 - 11 years) telling an adult that she's a boy. The adult ( a school nurse ) is told to affirm and call Maisie by her preferred name. That's it.
Next exercise Maisie is 13 - tells her favourite teacher she's miserable with her body changing and knows she's not a girl. The advice is that the teacher must reassure Maisie that she can speak to the teacher in confidence. The teacher must only share information if Maisie is "distressed or there is evidence of self harm". No understanding that the teacher is unlikely to be in a position to assess Maisie's levels of distress or self harm.

This is professionally dangerous advice -both for the safety and wellbeing of the child but also for any adult who believes this utter rubbish and follows it - laying themselves open to a charge of gross misconduct for failing to follow safeguarding procedures.

Safeguarding exists to protect the child or the vulnerable adult. But it also exists to protect the people working with children or vulnerable adults. Safeguarding also exists to prevent abuser infiltration of positions with access to children and vulnerable adults.

Extremist transactivist lobby groups push various strategies and tactics that undermine or negate safeguarding. Here are just a couple off the top of my head but there are many more:

Confidential disclosures - allow these and you give an infiltrating abuser the chance to keep a secret for a child. You can control a child with a secret that you know and abusers are always looking for ways to control potential victims.

Parental alienation - parents are - obviously - the bedrock of child protection. Creating a distance between parent and child or encouraging keeping secrets from parents is another way of divorcing children from protective influences in their lives and opens avenues for abusers to abuse without notice.

Multi-agency working - when working with children and vulnerable adults with issues, we involve multiple agencies not just because various agencies have different skills but also as a check and balance on abuser infiltration. If single agency working becomes the norm, that check and balance on abuser infiltration is destroyed.

YY tiredandweary- dreadful. But where is the safeguarding policy document I can cite to show the breach?

Have to mention the dire Cornwall guidelines for schools. There is so much wrong with this document it's hard to know where to start but let's settle for this bit of parental alienation:

A parent or guardian may not always be the most supportive
or appropriate person to assist the young person through
transitioning. It may not be necessary for a parent or guardian
to provide permission for a Trans pupil or student to take
steps to transition as there may be issues raised of Fraser
competence if parents will not consent

This is implying to schools that they can remove parental rights / responsibilities without going through the courts - as every single agency in this country has to do before these can be removed. Breathtakingly dangerous.

They also define sex as: the way a person’s body appears, sometimes wrongly, to indicate their gender. It is the assigned determiner on a persons birth certificate

www.cornwall.gov.uk/community-and-living/equality-and-diversity/cornwall-schools-transgender-guidance/

I agree with PPs.

The central question in this debate - one I did not have words for before Lisa M spelled it out.

-"trans" appears to confer a barrier to scrutiny and criticism of the person's behaviour, which means there is a higher threshold for raising concerns
-"trans" people's feelings are routinely prioritized over female safety
-children are indoctrinated in a ludicrous idea that implies they can change their sex, allowed to permanently alter their body, become lifelong patients on treatments we do not have any long-term data for, and this is being actively promoted. In fact, trans activism wants this process to have LESS medical oversight.
-erosion of social mechanisms that keep people safe
-removal of ability to use common sense, and even question things
-fear of genuine violence from bad actors who exploit trans activist ideology (lost count of the number of threats of violence against women if they question someone in their space)
-wholesale adoption of these ideas by the powerful institutions meant to keep us safe, minimizing the ability for victims to be believed or taken seriously
-erasing the past by not allowing "deadnaming," or "misgendering" which makes previous offending harder to track
-reporting restrictions in the media (how will we know how a perpetrator "identifies" if they look like a man in a dress)
-statistical impact, which means future analyses of safeguarding risks will be based on flawed data
-no ability to even point out that this is happening, because all of it will be hidden as "female crimes"

The worst part is that these trans activists have no qualifications, have a vested interest in eroding these safeguards, and do not give a shiny shit about the concerns being raised. But they are the ones being promoted/listened to. It is so fucked up.

LemonJello

This may help:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/729914/Working_Together_to_Safeguard_Children-2018.pdf

LemonJello
I don't think they have a safeguarding policy - can't see any reference to it. But what they are doing is (incorrectly) training adults working with children in safeguarding issues - hence me citing the exercises. That's why so much of this has slipped under the radar - if they openly stated that safeguarding principles no longer applies to gender non conforming children all hell would break loose. So they don't openly say it - they just run around the country training adults / schools in precisely those principles. And it is only when you are experienced in safeguarding that you think, hold on, this can't be right.

The Cornwall guidelines make no mention of safeguarding but goes on and on about confidentiality - which as every teacher knows is very limited in terms of their responsibility to share information about children in a school with relevant pastoral / safeguarding staff.

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More useful links for you, LemonJello:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/47/notes/division/18/3

www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/information-service/information-sharing-confidentiality-practitioners.pdf

www.scie.org.uk/care-act-2014/safeguarding-adults/sharing-information/what-does-the-law-say.asp

www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-guidance-for-doctors/confidentiality/disclosures-for-the-protection-of-patients-and-others

Sorry LemonJello. I didn't understand.

As LangCleg points out - it's Working Together - and of course, when safeguarding children, the clue is in the title!

But what they are doing is (incorrectly) training adults working with children in safeguarding issues - hence me citing the exercises. That's why so much of this has slipped under the radar - if they openly stated that safeguarding principles no longer applies to gender non conforming children all hell would break loose. So they don't openly say it - they just run around the country training adults / schools in precisely those principles.

Exactly this.

Bear in mind that it's us, the women being called evil TERF bigots, who are actually trying to safeguard gender-questioning children and protect them from infiltrating abusers (whatever the so-called gender identity of those abusers; trans or not trans).

In so many ways this whole thing is like the Rotherham scandal - those in authority being so afraid of looking like bigots that women and girls are sacrificed to the cause.

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www.scie.org.uk/care-act-2014/safeguarding-adults/sharing-information/what-does-the-law-say.asp

Tell that to the Girl Guides.

If you read all those links, you can see how the actual law of the land is being completely overridden by these lobby groups. It's shocking.

Placemarking.

Juells

In so many ways this whole thing is like the Rotherham scandal - those in authority being so afraid of looking like bigots that women and girls are sacrificed to the cause.

For the second time this morning you've hit the nail squarely on he head for me.

In so many ways this whole thing is like the Rotherham scandal - those in authority being so afraid of looking like bigots that women and girls are sacrificed to the cause.

In this case, as in Rotherham it was not just those in authority being scared of looking like bigots. It was - and is - those in authority actively supporting things because they were involved themselves or have general vested interests in seeing women and children being pushed aside, safeguards weakened and our complaints ignored. This is much deeper and further reaching than a handful of supposed well meaning fools.

feminism is often described as "putting the safety of women and girls ahead of the feelings of men"

The same principle applies here.

How true rememberatime.

I've got safeguarding training coming up. If I get a sniff of any of this advice coming from Gires or Mermaids I will not keep my mouth shut

Thank you. This thread is relevant to me for personal reasons

Keeping this bounced.