Penises in the women's locker rooms

[VickyEadie]

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/98rfd3/askt_post_finally_let_myself_be_completely_naked/

So pleased this penis-holder felt "liberated".

However, allowing any male person into female only spaces makes this scenario a very real possibility. Something we are expected to pretend won't happen, or if it does, is no big deal.

What's more, even if it didn't happen, claiming it did encourages les autres - doesn't it?

He says he loves his body - so penis and all, presumably. No dysphoria there then.

That's what I thought. I was led to believe that the root of this issue was someone feeling distressed that their outer appearance doesn't match up with the identity they have in their heads. It makes me sick to think this person is getting admiration for strutting around a women's changing room with their knob out.

But we are in Emperor's New Clothes territory. Mustn't tell the truth. We must protect the fantasy at all costs...

From the comments:

"Congrats females should get use to it because we are females it’s just our parts grow outward not inwards."

No. Words mean things.

I used to attend women-only swimming sessions. If someone like this individual turned up, I and most of the other women would have left.

It's worth looking at the comments on the thread by the penis-holder. ALL non-supportive ones have been removed (including, apparently, ones by other transwomen objecting on the grounds that this intimidates women).

This is why the transpeople who see this as wrong need to see that they are contributing to the problem. It is not possible to allow the male transpeople who would act appropriately in and keep the ones that don't, out.

we are females it’s just our parts grow outward not inwards

Oh ffs. Do they seriously not understand sexual dimorphism and that 'female' refers to physical sex?

I know Errol. Ffs does this crank not hear himself? Female with a penis ffs! And people actually humour this garbage?

Yes they actually seriously do @TheCountryGirl

That is the problem we're trying to stop.

Sorry but I'm a bit thick. If a man has a man's body - how has he transitioned to anything?

Standing naked I'm not sure I could tell which male bodied person thinks he is a man and which thinks he is a female.

I'd have to snap both offending members with a wet towel as a womens changing room really isn't the place for a willy.

Are we supposed to ask now - are you a flasher/very naughty boy/very short sighted and lost, or do you 'feel like a woman' (in the words of Shania Twain) before we scream and call security?

Been transitioning for three years and I gotta say....

Wish I could feel this comfortable in public restrooms... like... I enter the restroom and avoid all eye contact (and by the way, VERY tall trans woman, 6'4", likely not many are going to be like "she's cis-female"), I don't look down, I stay silent, I don't wear any makeup so I don't have to check it in the mirror, I don't check my bra in the mirror, nothing... and I live in a fairly liberal area (LV), where it isn't that big of a deal... I just don't want to be seen like a monster and it kills me...

Like normally, totally talkative, my friend and I chat, even when we're on the toilet, I normally am not "shy" about being female, but public restrooms... I clam up and avoid doing anything beyond my business and it just feels so... oppressive, less so in those "occupied" bathrooms, like at a gas station, but it is a thing no matter where I go...

Yes, having 6'4" males in women's spaces and not being able to object isn't at all oppressive for women. They're all so fucking selfish and self-absorbed.

By my count I is used 24 times in that post

clam up and avoid doing anything beyond my business

Er... what, exactly, does this person have ambitions to do beyond their business in a public restroom? It's a fucking toilet, not a fantasy validation booth.

So the poster would look like a 6"4 man with all his bits - in a womans changing room. I can only imagine from their rather egocentric post that it wasn't a quick change but a full flaunt (then another one in case anyone missed it). We can only be thankful there weren't any selfie taken.

Can they not ask his mum or a sister what they really think about a male bodied person who does that? Any woman who complained would probably be booted out.

Perhaps we should ask all the major gyms what their policy is on this? I wouldn't want to encounter this in my gym.

I once marched up to reception as there was a stupid woman in the changing room skyping a man in the woman's changing room. Just chatting crap, no national emergency.

She had a bloody huge phone too and he was peering around the room (luckily it was just me - unluckily for him!). I have no idea if he identified as Dave from Dagenham or Claire from Cleethorpes.

Either way, I didn't want to see his beardy face following me around the changing room.

They not have a sign telling people not to Skype in therw (as if anyone with a brain would need reminding).

They not have a sign telling people not to Skype in therw (as if anyone with a brain would need reminding).

Wow

Perhaps we should ask all the major gyms what their policy is on this? I wouldn't want to encounter this in my gym.

I think that's a good idea.

You get all sorts... My gast is never fully flabbered.

Fekko

Cripes, stupid woman!

I have been procrastinating about asking gym policy on this for some time. Mine is a Nuffield Health gym, so presumably they would have to change their policies for their health facilities/hospitals etc too. There are loads of women at my gym, in fact it's pretty female heavy. Lots of older ladies too, who would not likely be open to such things. There are also a lot of children who come in for lessons and their mothers take them into the female changing room, which is open plan. There is a small family/disabled room, which is mainly used by fathers taking their children swimming.

Perhaps that Reddit thread could be printed out and put up behind toilet doors in women's changing rooms all over the UK.
I think even Sarah Ar once said that a transwoman doing this should be arrested.

Just because someone posted it, it doesn’t mean it actually happened. I’m cynical.

I agree. Reddit is full of fantasists and men writing out their sexual fantasies for their own and other people's gratification.

I agree as well.

But the thing is that neither the GRA or the EA provide a defence to the offence of exposure. Any trans women who deliberately exposes her penis in the changing room is likely to be committing the offence of exposure.

This is also hardly a daily occurrence. There is one documented incident that occurred in the California. In the 10 years that protection for trans people against discrimination in goods and services has been on the statute book in the UK, there have been no documented incidents.

There will be an incident in the UK eventually - because idiots.

But to put it in to perspective.

• Documented penis incidents in changing rooms in the UK in last ten years - none
• Reported sexual assaults in the UK for the year ending March 2017 (121,187). Actual offending around 5 times higher.

But the thing is that neither the GRA or the EA provide a defence to the offence of exposure.

And that's why males shouldn't be in women's spaces.

You can't report these incidents, it's illegal and a hate crime under self Id.

This is also hardly a daily occurrence.

So?

- Documented penis incidents in changing rooms in the UK in last ten years - none

I should think not - we don't actually have 'self id' yet.

- Reported sexual assaults in the UK for the year ending March 2017 (121,187). Actual offending around 5 times higher.

So try to estimate how many women and girls that amounts to over the years, and that a proportion of them will remain seriously traumatised and not want any male body, clothed or not, in a space where they're getting their kit off.

This is the email I sent to Any Answers a few weeks ago when the subject came up. I was pleased they read it out
Last week I visited the gym. I showered and changed in the women's changing room, an open space with benches and hooks for clothes, but no cubicles. Showers have flimsy curtains.
In the changing room with me were two girls aged 12-13. There was no one else. I am a 65 year old woman, but with gender self ID I could have been a predatory fully male bodied man - no surgery or hormone treatment - simply claiming to be a woman in order to access women's spaces. It is known that these predatory men enter professions that give them access to vulnerable people, so why shouldn't we believe that such a man would use gender self-ID to do this?

I have granddaughters and I am concerned for their safety if proposed changes to the GRA are implemented. I have sympathy for those individuals suffering from gender dysphoria and feel they should be given appropriate medical help, but their rights should not be prioritised over those of women and girls.

Well done Borntobequiet