Rapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: A study of parental reports

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Link here http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330

Conclusion
Rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) describes a phenomenon where the development of gender dysphoria is observed to begin suddenly during or after puberty in an adolescent or young adult who would not have met criteria for gender dysphoria in childhood. ROGD appears to represent an entity that is distinct from the gender dysphoria observed in individuals who have previously been described as transgender. The worsening of mental well-being and parent-child relationships and behaviors that isolate AYAs from their parents, families, non-transgender friends and mainstream sources of information are particularly concerning. More research is needed to better understand this phenomenon, its implications and scope.

I hope this brings ROGD into more public discourse.

Oh look, it’s that MH condition that TRAs insisted was made up by hysterical, hateful terfs who want to stop kids being their authentic mermaidy selves!

It’s a good job that real evidence doesn’t take magical thinking into account 🙂

I'm two thirds through it and the part that alarms me most is the testimony from parents about how the teenagers use copy and pasted language from online. They've been GROOMED.
They display disdain for heterosexuals and one girl called her mum a 'breeder'. They behave like people who've joined a cult.
Its absolutely chilling reading but essential to share widely especially to parents so they can be forewarned.

I was not part of this study but I’m another parent voice to agree.

Oh yeah. Forearmed is prewarned or is it the other way about. It is amazing how all our kids speak the talk. Walking trans template. This is why parents are suspicious. Their own child’s voice is not heard. It is verbatum trans talk. Pardon my scepticism on this but we parents know the truth.

This is a really important piece of research. Thank you for highlighting it.

• I was not part of this study but I’m another parent voice to agree.

Another here.

Rogd didn’t exist 10 or possibly 5 years ago. Prior to this it was simply 2 criteria. The young non conforming child who grew out of this as a result of maturity or for the small minority who couldn’t cope despite talk therapy who are probably the transsexuals we understand. Then you have the older young adult and man who may have agp. ROPD is real. It is new but it is it a result of gaslighting our vulnerable kids.

Any parent who is reading this and thinks this won’t happen to their kid, I urge you now to listen to the parents voices who were all blindsided and realise that online pressure and teen pressure is the most influential especially when you have a child who feels an outsider.
Watch out for your child who spends most of their time online. Watch out for the child who is lonely. Watch out for the child who is bullied. These kids will try to find a clan despite you. Check for autism as these kids are prone to questioning their gender. Do not sit back and think this will not come to your door. Or your grandchild’s door. Our kids are now being conditioned into trans talk. It is frightening. I am not being dramatic. Sadly, it will not resonate with most of the public until it does arrive at their door. By then it is so far advanced you will have no voice. Preemptive is the best approach. You can be as inclusive as much as you want but when it actually happens to you it will knock you for six. Try to step in parents shoes and imagine if this was your child. Would you happily castrate them.?

Sending to all the parents on here. You really are in the front line of all this.
Those of us who work with young people, are experienced with safeguarding and have worked for years with young people with eating disorders, self harming behaviour, mental health issues etc. can see what is happening here. Some of us are working hard behind the scenes to try to draw the attention of the DfE, MPs and Headteachers to the harm that is being done to children and young people. We have a mountain to climb as the government has been funding and enabling organisations with the brief to roll back safeguarding and enable an adult model of transgenderism to be accepted in schools.
The betrayal of children and young people is sickening.

This is very hard to read but important. We have had a hellish few years with DD who is autistic. It all started with tumblr and as it says, only taking advice from people who identified as trans or non binary. Jealousy of those who were already on “T”. School were very very supportive and changed her name and pronouns WITHOUT consulting us.
We went down the Tavistock route but didn’t get anything prescribed, they were actually very good and I think could see this wasn’t right. Some of her friends buy hormones off the internet.
Four years of CAMHS and hospitals and school refusal and absolute rage from her about gender issues. I’m worn out.

I’m not very articulate. I tend to write conversational but my voice like all others who don’t affirm needs to be heard. We are all parents. Actually I was going to say we are all loving parents but that should go without having to justify our love. We are all parents who know our kids and will do what we think is right for them. Sometimes we have to challenge them but that’s our job. Don’t let any dick think they know better. trust yourself and keep strong. Stay clear of Mermaids and critique every policy and especially NHS who use the trans activist policy without due diligence. I think the institutions are seeing it now but at the moment do not trust what they say. They have been indoctrinated. If institutions can be indoctrinated then it is no surprise that our kids are also. Don’t blame your child. Blame the institutions who say they are safeguarding our kids. They are not. They have been gaslighted too. Amazing.

Woman from mars on Twitter agrees with me. She has messaged me to say she is a plant. I hope she screenshots this.

Just a small suggestion for parents. Keep details of every organisation / individual that is getting access to your child. In the future when your child has reached maturity and is, as is likely, they realise that they have been harmed in some way by what has happened, then you have the details ready for any law suits / class action.

Bumping this thread so we can pull all the discussion together into a single place.

scepticalwoman

That's a genius idea, because unfortunately, the lawsuits will happen.

I think this is one of the most worrying aspects of this ideology, the way children are being almost recruited. The fact it is disproportionately young girls who appear to have ROGD should be screaming something to us about our society and how we treat women and the expectations placed on young women in a very 'pornified' culture. We should be questioning why so many female adolescents are wanting to transition and looking at the root causes behind this (possible grooming aside - the desire for young girls to hide their sexuality has to stem from somewhere) but instead society and institutions seem to be waving this on completely uncritically.

I am frustrated on a daily basis these days by the lack of critical thinking displayed by institutions (particularly of higher education and healthcare) - is this what we are teaching children now? To accept things unthinkingly? We are bringing up a generation of sheep and it won't end well when noone thinks to speak out.

*scepticalwoman
Sending flowers to all the parents on here. You really are in the front line of all this.
Those of us who work with young people, are experienced with safeguarding and have worked for years with young people with eating disorders, self harming behaviour, mental health issues etc. can see what is happening here. Some of us are working hard behind the scenes to try to draw the attention of the DfE, MPs and Headteachers to the harm that is being done to children and young people. We have a mountain to climb as the government has been funding and enabling organisations with the brief to roll back safeguarding and enable an adult model of transgenderism to be accepted in schools.
The betrayal of children and young people is sickening

Oops sorry . Cocked that up. Wanted to say i agree entirely

Op.
Lawsuits are inevitable.
Schools have been (successfully) prosecuted for failing to tackle historical bullying for example. Imagine a school following the Cornwall or Scottish guidelines and keeping a child's transition secret from parents. Or the individual teacher who follows advice from trans lobby groups and doesn't share a child's disclosure.
Imagine the fall out when the child reaches maturity and is competent to understand long term consequences in terms of fertility and sexual relationships - and realises that the decisions they made as a teenager were not the right decisions for them. I wouldn't want to be a Head of that school - their public liability insurance will be very stretched when they have to defend why they arbitrarily removed parental rights / responsibilities without using the courts. Or the individual teacher having to justify why they failed to follow safeguarding procedures in a school.

To repeat, parents should keep as many details as they can of all individuals and organisations directly accessing their child, including business information as their child may need this if it turns out that their teenage decisions do not reflect the reality of their adult lives.

It is a relief to finally find actual peer reviewed research which gives voice the parents' fears that their trans identifying teenagers and young adults are having the symptoms dealt with but not the cause.

This section resonated particularly with our situation: (AYA means Adolescents and Young Adults)

If the above hypotheses are correct, rapid onset of gender dysphoria that is socially mediated and/or used as a maladaptive coping mechanism may be harmful to AYAs in the following ways: (1) non-treatment or delayed treatment for trauma and mental health problems that might be the root of (or at least an inherent part of) the AYAs’ issues; (2) alienation of the AYAs from their parents and other crucial social support systems; (3) isolation from mainstream, non-transgender society, which may curtail educational and vocational potential; and (4) the assumption of the medical and surgical risks of transition without benefit. In addition to these indirect harms, there is also the possibility that this type of gender dysphoria, with the subsequent drive to transition, may represent a form of intentional self-harm. Promoting the affirmation of a declared gender and recommending transition (social, medical, surgical) without evaluation may add to the harm for these individuals as it can reinforce the maladaptive coping mechanism, prolong the length of time before the AYA accepts treatment for trauma or mental health issues, and interfere with the development of healthy, adaptive coping mechanisms. It is especially critical to differentiate individuals who would benefit from transition from those who would be harmed by transition before proceeding with treatment.

What about the selection bias?

As someone working in Healy and seeing the increased presentation of AYA' with ROGD- this is very interesting. My place of work has adopted a support or be accused of bigotry policy- like most places have. However I will be disseminating this study to them to try and have a more balanced discussion about the issues. Thanks for posting.

Selection bias is ok as long as everyone knows. No one is saying that Lisa Littman study is definitive and that no one should transition - she says this in the paper. She is saying that, according to these anxious parents, other things might be at play which clinicians should be alerted to.

Anyone who works with children and or has teens knows that this makes perfect sense. It's so good that research is being done

There is talk in the NHS at the moment about how narrow specialisms have become and that there is a need for HCP to be able to step back and see the bigger picture. With my conciliatory hat on (I am usually wearing my "angry what are those bastards doing to my daughter" hat), maybe those treating people with GD are simply too close to the problem and can't see the wood for the trees. If you say that the only people who have a legitimate insight into treatment for transgender people are transgender people themselves; and that the old paternalistic model of care (we know what's best for you) is no longer acceptable, then listening to parents of AYA forms no part of your clinical practice....

Hat now removed.

Selection bias is ok as long as everyone knows.

Um, no, it seems pretty fatal to this study. More to the point, it's intentional selection bias. She didn't even try to mitigate for it, she only asked sceptical parents. There's not even a control group!