You don’t have to have gender dysphonie to be trans.

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So what is trans?
Where is the distress that might help us all understand and empathise?

The trans ideology is bat shit crazy if they think we have to indulge a want.
They are undermining transsexuals who truly suffer with their sex.
They are trivialising this. I don’t get it other than it has to be a desire to oppress women. Which it clearly is. But why are these blokes so scared of their own sex? That is a question I would love answered.

Oops gender dysphoria

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There you go.

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God, we're a helpful bunch.

I read about Rose of Dawn and I think why can others not be like her. This is someone we would respect but the trans activists are erasing someone like Rose who has had to go through a lot of angst. I’m not saying this is fair either but at least Rose of Dawn was actually distressed as in the meaning of dysphoria. I really do want to know why someone would reject their sex without basing it on masculinity or feminity characteristics and the desire to perform this if male/female.
I just don’t get it. Can any trans person who is not gender dysphoric enlighten me?

Well it's just a load of shit innit. And one I'm never going to indulge for the menz.

I just don’t get it. Can any trans person who is not gender dysphoric enlighten me?

Oh yes. I would like to be enlightened on this as well. But I won't hold my breath.

Trans can include anyone who doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth, whereas gender dysphoria is specifically the medical diagnosis for those in which that incongruence causes distress.

Most trans folk live their lives happily without medical intervention as they are able to find a balance in their lives.

Interestingly, you can trigger gender dysphoria in a cis gendered individual with certain medications. For example, prostate cancer treatments lower testosterone levels and men feel the same complications such as depression that gender dysphoria brings.

Treatments for those with severe GD, HRT and surgeries, alleviate those problems. Science suggests this may be due to the way the trans person’s brain is structured.

Following on from my own transition, I’ve found my own incongruence and related issues have now been resolved and I no longer consider myself to have GD.

Most trans folk live their lives happily without medical intervention as they are able to find a balance in their lives.

Does that 'balance' involve using female spaces? Do you think it should?

Trans can include anyone who doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth, whereas gender dysphoria is specifically the medical diagnosis for those in which that incongruence causes distress.

So all these trans people who are so distressed that they are going to kill themselves if women don't do as they say, but don't have any medical intervention: do they have gender dysphoria or not?

Hmmm...trans people with no gender dyshphoria and therefore no distress seem to be more unhappy with the masculine/ feminine roles and transsexuals who are distressed by their sexual characteristics want to get rid of these. Is that it?

men feel the same complications such as depression which gender dysphoria brings

A side effect in common does not mean that medication can trigger dysphoria. Women on hormonal contraceptives can suffer depression as a side effect - does this mean they have gender dysphoria? No, it means medicines which effect hormones can trigger depression.

Genuine question: Are same sex hormones ever prescribed to someone with gender dysphoria to alleviate it?

Trans can include anyone who doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth

Most feminists then.

Starkstaring that is what I wondered when I wrote my post.

A person without GD, is not likely to transition, and they use the facilities they are most comfortable with, the ones specific to their birth sex.

A lot of people in that position find outlets for their feelings, dressing at home or going to specific groups for example. Manchester has one that meets on a Wednesday in the Village.

Trans folk who are transitioning are very conscious of their appearance and don’t generally want to draw attention to themselves, unless they pass very well we’ll avoid certain situations or alternatives. Gender neutral loos are very sparse, so it’s not the easiest way to live.

The issues around suicidal feelings tend to stem from society. Internally you know who you are, but you know society doesn’t accept you. The terrifying prospect of not being able to be you and instead putting up a fake persona each and everyday is tough. I really wasn’t able to live my life until I was able to discard that pretence.

Regarding medical treatments causing dysphoria, I didn’t say they do, they just can mimic some of the symptoms we experience. When I started HRT, it didn’t take long for me to feel much better in myself, around six weeks. My starting point was a normal hormonal level for a male and is now a normal level for a female. Adding more testosterone would not have helped and could actually have induced a testosterone induced rage.

I don't think they are. It would be fascinating to know whether any research has been done. Anecdotally, I read an account of a women with GD who went on the pill for heavy periods and her GD disappeared, along with her depression. Surely same sex hormones would be safer and more effective than cross sex if hormonal treatment is required?

I don't think most transtrenders would want to be 'cured' and lose their special status however

Bronners if one of the symptoms people with GD experience is depression, what about anti-depressants and psychotherapy (which is what I had for depression). There is enough historical evidence to show that long-term prescription of synthetic hormones can increase the risk of fatal side effects. Why is therapy towards self-acceptance not a treatment for GD, alongside advocacy to dismantle gender stereotypes?

Interestingly, you can trigger gender dysphoria in a cis gendered individual with certain medications. For example, prostate cancer treatments lower testosterone levels and men feel the same complications such as depression that gender dysphoria brings.

Is that right?

Most women at some point in their lives have had their hormones majorly fucked around with, either whilst pregnant, or whilst taking hormone pills, being injected with hormones or having hormones placed up their fanny whilst trying to avoid getting pregnant (unfortunately women cannot identify out of avoiding pregnancy - that pesky biology is a fucker isn't it?)

In all my years of hormonal contraception I suffered many side effects, including yes, some on my mental health. At no point was I told it could cause gender dysphoria though.

What about women who take Tamoxifen or have Zoladex injections for breast cancer? Are they at risk of developing gender dysphoria as well? Or is it just men?

Regarding medical treatments causing dysphoria, I didn’t say they do

You said

Interestingly, you can trigger gender dysphoria in a cis gendered individual with certain medications.

I don’t get it, if we are talking about gender dysphoria, rather than sex dysphoria, I probably have that. I feel horribly uncomfortable in girly clothes, can’t stand the feeling of make-up on my face, can’t bear dainty shoes or high heels, The thought of a pampering spa weekend makes me want to puke, I have no sexual or romantic interest in men, and despite being a mother, I’m not the slightest bit clucky or maternal, in fact I hate the word mother when applied to me, and prefer to use parent instead, although I’ve never created a fuss when people use mother, as it is technically true. I alleviate this by wearing what I want, indulging in the activities that I enjoy, having relationships with women rather than men, and parenting, perfectly adequately, in my own way. I’ve never once thought that I might be in the wrong body, or felt the need to call myself a man. I certainly have no desire to use male facilities or insist everybody refer to me as male or expand the definition of man to include me.

Does this mean I’m really trans? I get misgendered reasonably frequently, I’ve copped shit loads of abuse, from men mainly, for looking and dressing the way I do, and I certainly feel oppressed when I go clothes shopping, because finding anything I want to wear in a size that fits a 5.2 large breasted woman is challenging to say the least.
All these years I just assumed that it’s society’s definition of what a female should be and look like that was ridiculously narrow and unrealistic, but am I wrong? Have I not actually been a real woman all this time but didn’t realise it?

The issues around suicidal feelings tend to stem from society. Internally you know who you are, but you know society doesn’t accept you.

Can you explain a bit more about how society shows this non-acceptance?

We've all seen the trans umbrella. We all know dysphoria is not a requirement to be counted under the umbrella definition.

I'm all for people being free to express as they wish. I'm even all for them being able to express misogyny if they are misogynists.

What I'm not all for is male people having access to women's rights, spaces and services. Neither expressing in a non-conforming way nor being dysphoric means you can, or have, changed sex.

Oh yeah, and I’ve suffered crippling mental health problems, including severe depression, self harm and almost successful suicide attempts throughout my life. Do I need to go back to my psychiatrist and tell them that their bipolar diagnosis is incorrect, and actually it’s just gender dysphoria?