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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

You don’t have to have gender dysphonie to be trans.

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Truthmytruth · 14/08/2018 23:46

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So what is trans?
Where is the distress that might help us all understand and empathise?

The trans ideology is bat shit crazy if they think we have to indulge a want.
They are undermining transsexuals who truly suffer with their sex.
They are trivialising this. I don’t get it other than it has to be a desire to oppress women. Which it clearly is. But why are these blokes so scared of their own sex? That is a question I would love answered.

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LightofaSilveryMoon · 17/08/2018 00:38

I still prefer single sex facilities for women.
No men. Men have their own facilities.

Women don't have penises.

Datun · 17/08/2018 06:18

Another one here confused as to what actually makes someone 'non binary' and therefore trans? And how that means that they should have the right to use 'whatever facilities they are most comfortable with'? Could you expand please?

What's "valid" about confusing personality with sex because you think everyone else is a walking sex stereotype and you are completely unique and special?"

In terms of the OP, this ^^ sums it up.

Youngsters appear to have identified that gender is restrictive, don't like it, and have gone ta da! I'm non binary then!

Making the leap to their sex merely demonstrates how entrenched is the belief of gender being innate. And, ironically, overwhelming, shows the necessity of feminism, particulary gender critical feminism.

'Non binary folk' like Bunce are, in my opinion band wagon jumpers hiding behind a label that makes zero sense in terms of their lifestyle.

They've actually doubled down on the binary, not dismissed it.

It's cross dressing in old money.

And special it ain't.

Starkstaring · 17/08/2018 06:23

And yet a surgeon is willing to perform a double mastectomy on a non-binary 20 year old (this is in the UK). with significant comorbid conditions.

Not sure what surgery a non binary person of an XY origin has.to have.

Ereshkigal · 17/08/2018 08:43

Making the leap to their sex merely demonstrates how entrenched is the belief of gender being innate. And, ironically, overwhelming, shows the necessity of feminism, particulary gender critical feminism.

I also don't like it as they are saying well that doesn't apply to super special me so I'll just opt out. Fuck all the boring cis people.

KataraJean · 17/08/2018 21:45

I cannot tell you what it is that made me unhappy with my sex, but I can tell you it was horrible hollow feeling to be surrounded by everyone happy for who they are and afraid to be open about it

The crucial thing you say here is that you were unhappy with your sex - that is your biological make-up as a man. Sex is not gender. Thus you are speaking as a transsexual, not a person who is arguing that they are trans because they do not fit sex-based social roles (gender) associated with being male or female or because they have an innate idea that they are the other gender, whatever that means. But even then, it would be helpful to know why exactly you were unhappy with your male body, which is what I presume you mean.

Also, and I mean no disrespect, but I tell my seven year old not to believe that everyone else has no problems or is quite happy, just that he does not know what struggles other people have and what outward face they are showing to the world. It is simply not true that everyone is happy for who they are! Otherwise, psychotherapists would be out of a job.

The second important thing you say is that you are an Aspie. My understanding and experience of Aspergers is that it lends a tendency to see things in very black and white clear cut categories, and I also understand there are concerns about the higher prevalence of people on the autistic spectrum who have issues around their 'gender identity'. In my opinion that is because 'gender identity' restricts rather than broadens options, so if someone on the autistic spectrum has issues with nuance, they will find it harder to fit into an ever restrictive idea of what being a man or woman is - whereas in reality, all that makes one a man is possession of a penis, how one lives or behaves as a man is completely individual and it is up to you to embrace, challenge or negotiate gendered stereotypes.

Of course, I cannot and would not say that 'trans' is not a valid identity, and I fully accept your own conclusions that you are happier being trans. I agree it gives you a different perspective on the world. But I do not think it gives you a female perspective (although I am clear you have not tried to argue this, aside from the fiction of 'real life experience' as a woman) and I do not think being unhappy with your sex and taking steps to address that makes you a woman either; it makes you a transwoman, and that is fine. There needs to be room for women and transwomen, and not crowding into the same space and co-opting the other's experiences. We should be free and safe to say this.

Truthmytruth - yes, what I wrote off the top of my head of what has happened to me is sadly the experiences of many, many women. Probably the majority. Yet to look at us, getting on with it, you would think we were quite happy with who we were and our lives. Where we have shown that we were and are not, over the decades, is with the feminist activism and legal challenges that have provided greater equality in the law, woman-centred maternity provision, domestic violence refuges, rape crisis centres, women's book festivals and forums, all places where we could seek support (from those who understood) to make sure that we were able to just get on with it. These are the things which transgender ideology undermines and erodes with the insistence that transwomen are women, and male-bodied people should have equal access to same-sex space.

KataraJean · 17/08/2018 21:47

Sorry, Truth, I know we are on the same page, I just read back my post and it sounds like I am somehow at odds with you because I started with your point.

Truthmytruth · 18/08/2018 03:35

*KataraJean
No need to apologise. I didn’t notice.

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