You don’t have to have gender dysphonie to be trans.

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So what is trans?
Where is the distress that might help us all understand and empathise?

The trans ideology is bat shit crazy if they think we have to indulge a want.
They are undermining transsexuals who truly suffer with their sex.
They are trivialising this. I don’t get it other than it has to be a desire to oppress women. Which it clearly is. But why are these blokes so scared of their own sex? That is a question I would love answered.

As time passes "gender dysphoria" seems to be morphing into an umbrella term. I wouldn't be surprised to see it embrace cross-dressers and your beardy bloke "I identity as trans" characters in the near future.

Genuine question: Are same sex hormones ever prescribed to someone with gender dysphoria to alleviate it?

Yes, Kallman syndrome. From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallmann_syndrome "Early treatment as adolescents can help with psychological well being of people with KS/CHH". But it is not classified as gender dysphoria as the distress comes from an intersex condition.

I might just ditch the meds, tell my psychiatrist to stop pathologising me and demand they except me as my true, authentic self, and next time they section me and lock me in a psychiatric ward I’ll accuse them of being transphobic.

Thanks hangingaround I am on my phone, so struggling to do quotations. Bronner clearly confuses symptoms and side effects in that statement.

Hormones have been used in contraceptives, HRT, preventing miscarriage (DES - disastrous results) - none of these trigger gender dysphoria or make one more or less a women. One simply is a woman if one is born female. All of these hormonal treatments were/are for biological issues around being female - preventing pregnancy, easing the symptoms of menopause, preventing miscarriage (progesterone is used now).

I guess the question is whether you see hormonal treatments for gender dysphoria as simply an extension of this, to change the biological processes completely. (Not possible as adults will always have the physical markers of sex, so you have the question of transing children - highly ethically dubious)

Or whether you see some hormonal interventions (such as to prevent/promote pregnancy) as justified, but not others, depending on a range of factors (a woman’s decision to use hormonal contraception does not impinge on anyone’s same sex space, for example).

Or whether you take the view that hormonal treatments are about (mostly male) power and control over women and financial gain for the pharmaceutical industry, and do damage to the environment and eco-system of the planet?

That could all be clearer, I know, I am trying to work out my own thoughts on this.

Trans can include anyone who doesn’t identify with the gender assigned at birth

In other words, anyone who doesn't accept the gender stereotypes associated with their sex observed at birth.

In my office, there are blokes who do flexible hours for childcare, a lesbian, several women who aren't interested in having kids. And we all work in tech. So that's all of us under the trans umbrella then?

I had a lot of respect for Eddie Izzard when he was doing the "man in a dress" thing - that was proper gender nonconformity - but saying "I have girl genes because I like high heels & getting my nails done" comes back to perpetuating tired old misogynist stereotypes, as does Pips Bunce claiming that wearing dresses & makeup makes him "Pippa" & gives him access to women's facilities. Like Travis Alabanza, who bullied his way into women's changing rooms, they're men, and what they choose to wear doesn't change that. People with actual sex dysphoria deserve help & a safe third space, but "gender" does nobody any favours & would be better disposed of. If the trans lobby were campaigning for men & women to be able to present however they choose without judgment, while recognising that "woman / girl" and "man / boy" are just descriptors for females born with XX chromosomes & males born with XY chromosomes, respectively, I think most of MN would be right behind them.

HotRocker you are a woman. Women come in all shapes and sizes and make many life choices/ cope with many life circumstances. The only thing they don’t have is a penis.

But yes, I have been depressed because of being in an abusive relationship and going through litigation to keep DC safe. Women are statistically more likely to be in such a situation. Maybe I just needed to identify out of it, and my depression was gender dysphoria at being a woman copping the crap for being female.

Sorry, I’m going on my own tangent here, but sadly, I think if I did try this it would probably work. It’s a struggle enough as it is to get treatment for mental health problems, and any excuse to see me out the door would probably be welcomed. Having been churned through the mental health system, I’ve seen how serious symptoms and life damaging problems get conveniently ignored because of a lack of resources to deal with then, so a nice woke excuse to dismiss people and get them off the caseload would be quite handy. Unfortunately, the result would probably be me ending up dead, and that probably goes for a lot of other people as well.

Travis Alabanza annoys me the most actually tbh. Travis is essentially a man who likes to wear eccentric clothes that are not stereotypically associated with what males wear. Some of Travis's outfits are amazing!

Travis could do so much with that, to show the world that men dont have to conform to narrow stereotypes when it comes to what to wear or how to behave.

But no. It's all about being trans and queer and non-binary and 'they' and trying to get into the girls changing room in Topshop.

Gender dysphoria is a meaningless term because gender is an oppressive system. Feeling unhappy (dysphoric) about an oppressive system isn't a disorder, it's a normal human response.

I feel 'gender dysphoria' on a regular basis, being a woman in a world that expects things of me that I don't want to or am not capable of doing. I'm not 'trans' I'm a woman living under an oppressive system.

I don't have sex dysphoria because although I don't love my body I accept it as mine and I do have some positive thoughts about it. I sympathise with people who do experience this but that doesn't make them 'really' the opposite sex.

Travis Alabanza embodies the essence of narcissistic gender obsession. This photo and description is a perfect example of how gender is used when what they mean is clothes and makeup

Forgot to add also the way gender is in fact sexualised stereotypes; vis a vis the porny blow up doll blowjob face he's making

There should be a distinction between sex dysphoria and gender dysphoria.
Sex dysphoria - severe distress at sex of your body
Gender dysphoria - don't like the stereotypes set out for your sex

So far as I know, Tavistock and NHS docs in this field don't make any such distinction. I would have thought the distinction is completely obvious.

You would think so.
The treatment for sex dysphoria (hormones and surgery) is being used for gender dysphoria whereas gender dysphoria is a social issue, not a psychological one.

It's criminal that people with understandable and natural difficulties growing up in a rigid, inflexible and oppressive system are being medicated and mutilated to allieve their distress. They need a prescription of feminism, history and righteous activism, not puberty blockers and mastectomies.

I read an account of a women with GD who went on the pill for heavy periods and her GD disappeared, along with her depression.

I've read this account too, and from the other side my BIL has had depression for years - he recently discovered he has low testosterone, and had testosterone injections which also had a positive affect on his mood/motivation.

Most woman who has horribly heavy periods would have an element of bodily hatred. No one loves that. No one.

Following on from my own transition, I’ve found my own incongruence and related issues have now been resolved and I no longer consider myself to have GD.

I have a mate with type 1 diabetes, he's fitted with an insulin pump, which automatically manages his condition so day to day, he no-longer has to think about being diabetic. Doesn't mean he's no-longer diabetic though.

Generally, if treatment is ongoing, then most people would consider that you still had a condition, but that that condition was under control/no-longer affecting your life, rather than 'cured'. Cured suggests that no further treatment is required.

The trouble is that the current narrative that to be your authentic self you need hormones and surgery - you are simply bringing your body into line with your internal, unchanging gender identity. If you don't you risk suicide. That is the message that today's teenage and young adult transgender people have internalised; and that the medical profession and the entire educational establishment appears to fully endorse. And it is sugar coated by using words like "transgender" instead of "transsexual"; or "top surgery" instead of "double elective mastectomy"; or "hrt" instead of "artificial, off-label cross sex hormones".

And the narrative is also that to be denied those treatments is to be denied your human rights.

So people who might become comfortable with their biological sex over time, are not given that opportunity.

IME Psychologists and psychotherapists are not trained and have little interest in looking at societal influences on mental health.

Bronners
I meant someone who never had gender dysphoria but say there trans. You may not have this now but the inference is that you had.
It is just that the ideology is now attempting to say gd is not a requirement to be classed as trans. What is the requirement?
I don’t have gd but I reject stereotypes. Is this what our teens class as trans?
The problem though that our teens are not allowed to reject masculine/ feminine anymore as the Trans Activist are encouraging them to take this further via hormones and surgery and vulnerable teens are believing them. This is why we are concerned. I am worried that removing some degree of ‘gatekeeping’ and talk therapy for self id does not allow teens time to work through their emotions and work through other issues. Teens are impulsive and the TRAs are using this to their advantage.

Most teens have dysphoria of some sort. It kinda goes with the territory. That’s why parents and professional need to ‘gatekeep’ Gatekeeping is not an offensive word. It is protective and must be a priority for teens going through puberty and for young adults whose brain is not fully developed until 24.
A non binary person who can identify as man or woman a few days of the week must not have gender dysphoria either. I imagine. This must be a choice. Thus not innate or immutable. The trans umbrella basically contradicts itself and our vulnerable kids do not have the ability to comprehend this. They go with what is being presented to them on line and our institutions which we now know have been successfully lobbied by the TRAs. The public are seeing this now. My hope is they protect all our kids and go back to watch and wait. Let the kids go through puberty and experience some adult life outside the echo chambers first. Is this a big ask?

Transactivists are accusing the Tavistock of transphobia now. twitter.com/anniewallace/status/1028700137974124544?s=21

Jess Bradley accused the Tavistock of transphobia all the time.

Transohobia my aunt Fanny. Or Danny.

But that necessitates everyone has the same understanding of what gender is. A man who doesn’t have dysphoria but claims he is trans because he likes to wear dresses and make up falls under the trans umbrella and should have access to women’s spaces because trans women are women, right?

Instead of widening of what gender can be, that men can wear dresses, they say no “dresses = woman hence I’m a woman”.

Non-binary folk are people who generally don’t have GD, and mostly don’t seek any medical intervention. Doesn’t stop them being trans or valid.

When it comes to acceptance, although we as a society are better than we ever have been, it is still difficult for close friends and family to accept and this rejection, or the fear of it, can be be the cause of significant anxiety.

Although I knew I was trans back in 2001, when I finally understood what that meant, a fellow trans woman coming out at work and the fall out from that stopped me from expressing my feelings to anyone for another 10 years.

I attempted suicide in 2013, shortly after coming out, due to a combination of GD, work related stress, family issues and failure to get a referral to the GIC. Any one of those on their own I could cope with, the combination of all four nearly killed me.

I then undertook a year of counselling to deal with the fallout from that and started HRT. By the end of the year my only ongoing issues were work related stress and manageable.

I haven’t been suicidal since, though I do have a fear that I’ll end up back there.

Now that I have completed transition, I no longer have dysphoria about myself and no longer require anxiety medication or counselling to get by.

What do you mean by valid? Or trans?
Most people are non binary. Gender identity is a feeling, maybe a 'want' . Sex is not a feeling. Sex is real. People can't be non binary sex. They deserve not to be discriminated against, however they present, but it doesn't mean everyone else should submit to all their demands. And it doesn't mean they've changed sex, because that's not possible.