TRAs seem to have a new plan of attack on this forum

[Vickyyyy]

Joining, pretending to be feminists and posting shitty stuff, screenshotting that stuff as proof of how 'transphobic' this forum is.

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I noticed this a few days back, but its been very obvious the past day or so, new members often posting actual transphobic things, then this being shared on twitter.

Pathetic I reckon, but they seem to think its effective

I think it's been happening for months

Was that the drunken pub wierdo this morning? The whole thing sounded unlikely.

Yes. I've noticed it

As always, report genuinely hateful posts or suspected trolling to HQ.

Not much we can do about someone plopping on, saying something awful and screen shotting it.

There’s a tactic a week. In some ways the restrictions we have on what we can say here work in our favour because it makes people considered in what they can post. Or at least I try to see that as the bright side (it was interesting reading the different language and opinions on two almost identical threads here and in AIBU the other week though, they were certainly more, ahem, robust.)

It’s a bit like painting the Forth Bridge...

Yeah I report genuine transphobia anyway..it very very rarely comes from members who have been here for a while, the odd time yes, but not usually. Most of the dodgy posts come from new members, and with HQ saying that person dergistered right after posting...well...that proves a lot really.

The only way inimical outsiders can make the forum unusable is if we stop talking to each other and waste spend all the time we spend on here dealing with them.

Just don't get distracted by people whose main aim is forum vandalism.

There’s a tactic a week

Certainly the tactics shift but I think it’s becoming pretty clear how very limited their bag of tricks actually is. It’s gone full circle and we seem to be back to sealioning and faux-naive posters again too.

I suspect the ‘transphobic’ posts will actually gain us more supporters in the long run. The ‘proof’ will no doubt entrench the already entrenched even further, but anyone who’s remotely on the fence who decides to check out the source, well, we know what they’ll actually find.

Please can we still be polite to new posters though, and give them a little benefit of the doubt?!

People do come here genuinely wanting to learn about the issues.

It doesn't take a minute to point new posters to the excellent break it down for me thread - but I've seen newbies asking for some direction get a snarky "why not go read the posts yourself" or similar.

It makes me cringe when people do that as it reminds me of TRA's "educate yourself" and "oh no I couldn't possibly do emotional labour for you by actually attempting to back up my illogical arguments" nonsense.

Just goes to show how threatened you us they are. They must be worried.

LangCleg speaks sense here.

I see it like having a visitor in a house where your many children are running around. Occasionally you need to attend to the kids to deal with something, but mostly you just carry on having a calm conversation with your visitor, no screeching, no hystrionics necessary.

This is one of the reasons a site aimed at parents is such a stupid place for them to try this shit. So many of us are used to saying "That's nice dear, now pull your trousers up, I'm talking to Karen now..."

painted

I agree. Even if you suspect faux-naivety, it can be helpful to at least point to the relevant old threads. More and more lurkers are watching us

I wondered where that went

I advance serach everyone who posts something 'strange' from a new nickname now

And usually they have only been here a few days...at least most try and pretend that they have looked at other boards

The fibbing goady nameless thing

Floral

Yes. I like that analogy

Im always polite

Til theyve been deleted, cos if mumsnet deletes them it probably is a fibby no name thing!!

Have noticed the sea lioning and fake naivety too.

Floral

‘Put it away now, dear. No one wants to see your willy.’

If only someone had said that to Jess...

‘Put it away now, dear. No one wants to see your willy

I had to say that in a science museum once

I didnt say dear though..

Exactly right Floral.

I have slightly more patience with eager squirrel newbies - it wasn't so long ago I was one myself! I do understand why the stalwarts get mightily fucked off with it, though, and I think given the level of monkey scat we get flung at us here, no woman should feel obligated to rictus smile and placate newbies.

And seriously, lurkers, if you love these gutsy women from lurking and reading along, you are probably going to expect a bit of arse-handing-to-you if you put your foot in it. This is still Mumsnet, nest of vipers, after all.

Please screenshot the deletion message - that way if their "proof" gets posted it can be countered with "we agree it's a shitty thing to say - posters reported it and mumsnet deleted it and it was a plant anyway" showing that it wasn't allowed to stand.

This is one of the reasons a site aimed at parents is such a stupid place for them to try this shit. So many of us are used to saying "That's nice dear, now pull your trousers up, I'm talking to Karen now..."

Floral

Agree it is worth engaging in good faith and politely with newcomers.

I can't screenshot the deletion message as I didn't post on the thread and now can't find it!

This is one of the reasons a site aimed at parents is such a stupid place for them to try this shit. So many of us are used to saying "That's nice dear, now pull your trousers up, I'm talking to Karen now..."

PMSL

MN quote of the day!