Who knew in 2018 we would be lead by unelected tech giants?

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Banned from twitter. Not sure why, I suspect it was telling the truth. I will not stop.

It will probably save time laughing at profile pictures of pretty laydeeees.

I’m still baffled about what isomers have to do with socialism...

Educate yourself.

A cis socialist. Would a trans socialist be a Tory, then? Better warn Lily.

Would a trans socialist be a Tory, then?

Would a trans socialist be a Tory, then?

Well, wasn't there the self-declared communist who turned out to be all about the t-shirt sales, recently? Kind of unfettered free-marked communism.

Well, wasn't there the self-declared communist who turned out to be all about the t-shirt sales, recently? Kind of unfettered free-marked communism.

Fully automated luxury t-shirt sales?

Back in the real world people like you are fighting the real fascists, the book burners, the Bookmarks trashers.

Book burning relates to the destruction of views and concepts that are considered dangerous to society. This usually relates to the education process. Its about restricting critical thinking.

In authoritarian revolutions, those who are educated are generally targetted first because they are deemed a threat to the incoming authoritarian establishment in some way.

In this context, the targetting of 'experts' and scientific establishments to crush evidence based science and insert ideology into this as a driving force should be seen as alarming.

We might not have actual physical book burning (yet) but we certainly have other hallmarks of authoritarianism which are crushing the ability to think critically and the authority of science to be independent of ideological pressure.

In this context I will state simply one word:
Biology.

Would a trans socialist be a Tory, then?

I think its more appropriate to think of trans-liberals tbh.

Oh wait...

Well, wasn't there the self-declared communist who turned out to be all about the t-shirt sales, recently? Kind of unfettered free-marked communism

Probably not the first, certainly not the last. My DdepartedM always reckoned that socialist scandals were usually about embezzlement (Tories, sex of course).

No to actual incitement to violence, shouting fire in a crowded theatre, targetted harrassment of individuals.

For the sake of accuracy you should know that the "shouting fire in a crowded theater" analogy was used by a justice of the US Supreme Court against people who were actually shouting 'don't go in there, it's on fire'. They were war protestors.

and apparently I've been equating you all with Nazis

Who said that

I don't remember anyone saying that

But let's talk hypocrisy. So many people here

There doesn't iseem to be that many people...

I think society collectively has a very short memory. I am old enough to remember both right wing authoritarianism in Europe (the end of the Junta in Greece - the rule of the Colonels, and the death of Franco in Spain) and left wing authoritarianism in Europe (the Soviet block and allied states - I even visited Yugoslavia while it was still Yugoslavia). I have friends who grew up under communist rule.

Authoritarianism is fucking terrifying. People disappear without trial in the middle of the night. They get shoved out of helicopters into the sea and simply vanish. They get imprisoned without trial, or following a show trial at which everyone ignores the marks of torture on their bodies. Children are indoctrinated by the state to inform on their parents, all your friendships involve constantly looking over your shoulder, guarding what you say.

There are many ingredients of a liberal democracy intended to guard against this - separation of executive and judiciary, police being subservient to the judiciary, the right to fair trial, limits to periods of imprisonment prior to trial with conditions on which crimes merit remand in custody rather than bail, limits to periods in police custody without charges being brought, the right to silence, the right to a defence lawyer.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are very important parts of this.

People who try to cast doubt on the importance of free speech (with all sorts of spurious bullshit about how free speech is a dog-whistle term for the EDL and 'Free Tommeh' on the one hand or Trumpian cries of 'fake news' on the other hand, depending on whether the authoritarian in question is left or right wing) are deeply suspect. They are telling you they quite like the idea of an authoritarian government, with themselves or their cronies in charge.

And Ereshkigal, demanding that I condemn a boogeyman that, having read through that thread, is nothing but a tatterdemalion created of spin and innuendo, designed solely to misconstrue and demonise an entire minority hoping to paint them as 'rapey'

LOL. Bluster bluster. Still no unequivocal condemnation of:

homophobic sexual coercion (often accompanied by violent and sexually violent rhetoric) towards lesbian women by members of the trans community and their allies

violent including sexually violent threats towards women by TRAs

if somebody knowingly spreads hate, or calls for somebody's death, or, you know, use that precious freedom of speech to say, emotionally abuse and manipulate their partners, not only do they not have the right to that speech, they also don't have the right to demand a platform to spread those views. And if it's known that is what that person does, then anybody who gives them that platform is culpable, because they damn well know what that platform is going to be used for.

You're up for the vast majority of TRAs to be kicked off and Twitter and Facebook to be closed down then?

Best delete your own accounts too.

They are telling you they quite like the idea of an authoritarian government, with themselves or their cronies in charge.

This exactly. I'm sure Meet and chums would like nothing better.

I agree Fermats
We have such short memories.
Dh's parents and grandparents fled a communist country.

On that note, an excellent essay - reneejg.net/2018/02/14/transgenderism-totalitarianism/

and apparently I've been equating you all with Nazis

Oh do you mean fermats post

Well yeah, you did keep blethering on about nazis and jihadis sitting in a room and if you dont say anything you must be a nazi etc

So i can see how that equating thing could hapoen

Normally this lot make me angry. Today I'm just amused at the pomposity.

I'd like to second this. I don't often have to look up words! I wonder what was achieved by the use of the word "Tatterdemalion" that couldn't be achieved by more everyday language?

Well im just chuffed that i knew what tatterdermalion meant

Im good with the whole word thing...fact

So am I, usually!

People who try to cast doubt on the importance of free speech (with all sorts of spurious bullshit about how free speech is a dog-whistle term for the EDL and 'Free Tommeh' on the one hand or Trumpian cries of 'fake news' on the other hand, depending on whether the authoritarian in question is left or right wing) are deeply suspect. They are telling you they quite like the idea of an authoritarian government, with themselves or their cronies in charge.

I too am old enough to have experienced authoritarianism in all it's permutations and so have learned to recognize it's dangers as well as attractions.

Is Tatterdemalion a step up or down from ragamuffin?

MeetTheNewAccountSameAsTheOld seems to be having a fight with their own self, so far as I can tell by reading this thread.

thebewilderness

Its a step down

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