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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DD2s ‘friends’ have decided she’s trans

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MaitlandGirl · 05/08/2018 04:44

She’s not - she wears trousers to school as it’s winter and too cold to leave the house at 7am in a skirt, doesn’t wear make up as she has stress induced excema on her face, ties her hair up in a ‘man bun’ as it’s ridiculously out of control otherwise and wears Dr Martens as it’s too cold to wear her converse.

All of these examples have lead her supposedly pro-feminist ‘friends’ to decide she’s trans and when she tried to put them right they decided she was in denial and reported her to the pastoral team at school for urgent counselling.

I’ve spent her entire life telling her that being a woman doesn’t mean she has to follow the societal norm and slap on the makeup, have straightened/highlighted hair and wear skirts half way up her thighs and now, because of the strong pro-trans movement across social media, she’s again being told she’s not a ‘real’ woman.

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PyeWackets · 14/11/2018 19:25

Oh they've done a great job on the kids haven't they. They will police the borders and nudge those who don't perform their stereotype into transdom. There is no room left for feminine boys or masculine girls. This is not progress, this is regress, sexist, homophobic nonsense.

FuriousOfSurrey · 14/11/2018 19:52

This has made me furious (again, I'm rarely not these days) on behalf of your DD. I deliberately didn't say "poor DD" because she sounds like an intelligent , well grounded and fab young woman. Unlike her stupid little bunch of bitchy bully so called "friends" . She will soar to great heights and leave them behind in the gutter where they belong. Good luck and best wishes to you both. X

RedRoseReb · 14/11/2018 19:57

I agree it is a form of bullying.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2018 20:11

Oh they've done a great job on the kids haven't they. They will police the borders and nudge those who don't perform their stereotype into transdom. There is no room left for feminine boys or masculine girls. This is not progress, this is regress, sexist, homophobic nonsense.

Every word of this.

TeiTetua · 14/11/2018 20:25

I have to disagree if someone is saying "Every word of this". I frowned at "no room left for feminine boys or masculine girls"--I'm not sure what those terms ought to mean, but I wish they weren't used to mean "conventionally" feminine or masculine. In fact if someone can figure out ways to be "unconventionally" feminine or masculine, I'd applaud.

I liked the rest of it, though.

PyeWackets · 15/11/2018 06:39

Feminine boys are told they are girls and masculine boys are told they are boys. We should be challenging these stereotypes so both sexes can wear what they like. Instead we are reinforcing the stereotypes, using them to measure who is a boy and who is a girl. Organisations like Stonewall no longer do much for gay youth, it's all about changing facilities to mixed sex and pushing old fashioned sexist stereotypes.

Tei, there really is no room left for children who don't perform their stereotype, they are assumed to be trans. All of this is a step backwards and does nothing to challenge sexist stereotypes. No boy is a girl, no girl is a boy. Clothes and toys are for everyone.

Gender has been created and given magical soul like properties, we are told we all have one, that they should match our bodies, sometimes they get trapped in the wrong body, we express our magical shiny gender through clothing choices. It is all so sexist and damaging.

I am so angry that when this started it wasn't challenged, that people didn't just say No.

deepwatersolo · 15/11/2018 07:01

Oh, ffs. That kind of sounds like a girl in my class, who constantly tried to create drama by approaching girls (whom she found uncool) and asking them all concerned whether they had a crush on [some guy in our class or school she found cool] and then insisting that any denial was pointless and she knew, and then running around telling everyone about the crush, including the guy...

Of course at some point it was my turn. I just said 'well if you think so, it must be true.' and ignored the rest of it, laughing when it came up. (I've never been easily embarrassed, but for some targetted grils this was really difficult).

Basically, it was probably all so that she had a reason to get on the guy's radar and talk with him and, ideally, discuss/mock the girls together with him. This is not so different. They need a trans friend to parade around as a foil for their ' wokeness and womanlyness'.

RedRoseReb · 15/11/2018 08:45

PyeWackets it IS like "souls."

My teens school has a Stonewall logo on the website now.

I don't know what to say to him to counter the stereotyping at the heart of this. As a family we have always gone our own way whereas where we live parents are often very stereotypical in dealing with their kids. I want that to change but not in this way!

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