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Paedophile expert warns of transitioning as a ploy

61 replies

BlytheByName · 02/08/2018 08:01

Sorry that it's the Sun, but this article succinctly highlights the danger of allowing sex offenders to transition.

Women are not seen as dangers to children in the same way men are so what a good idea to become one.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

The mother of a victim is calling for the law to prevent this.

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theOtherPamAyres · 02/08/2018 08:53

I think that the case of Chrystyl Knight needs to go in the Gender Critical Greates Hits evidence file.

A tax-payer funded new identity as a woman for a convicted paedophile. Words fail me.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:04

clicky link to article:www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

(Extracts)
The con is desperate for a fresh start but child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

"[Margaret-Ann Cummings, a campaigner whose son was murdered by a convicted sex-offender] added: “It’s not unusual for sex offenders to want a new identity but this is the most disturbing case I’ve heard of.

“When someone, so soon after getting out of jail, is trying to change not just their name but their sex and appearance too, it sounds like they’re trying to hide rather than reform.”

Echoing her calls, child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Intresting to note that Claude Knight has commented.
She has recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape: www.kidscape.org.uk/news/2016/may/ceo-claude-knights-announces-her-retirement/]]

cf Claude Knight's comments and also her experience in Safeguarding and child protectionand knowledge with James Morton who is also quoted in the article:

"James Morton, of the Scottish Transgender Alliance, said: “Our understanding is that transitioning does not erase your past if you’re a sex offender.

“You have to give your new name to police. Trans people usually encounter greater suspicion. I don’t think it helps people blend in.”

James Morton plays a key role in advocating trans rights in Scotland:

Article June 2018 'Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action'
(Extracts)
"THE rights of Scottish schoolgirls are being undermined by rules allowing pupils to adopt a different gender and share changing rooms, it has been claimed, as it emerged schools are unprepared for the controversial overhaul.

A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.

The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account. (continues)

Among the councils which have endorsed the guidance produced by LGBT Youth and the Scottish Trans Alliance, Glasgow, West Lothian, Clackmannanshire and South Lanarkshire said they were unable to publish an assessment of the likely impact on other pupils as they had not carried one out. Edinburgh City Council failed to respond. The office of the Scottish Children's Commissioner, Education Scotland and the Scottish Government have all also backed the LGBT Youth guide.

Scotland's Children's commissioner said: "We did not undertake and therefore do not hold" any research looking at how other pupils might be affected by the guidance.

Education Scotland said it did not have any policies itself relating to transgender pupils and therefore "there has been no requirement for Equality Impact Assessments in relation any new or revised policies or procedures regarding transgender and non-binary school children."

The Scottish Government said it had not carried out any equality impact assessments and said the responsibility for carrying them out lay with councils. (continues)

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

He claimed critics hostile to trans people were presenting a distorted view of the guidance. "There has always been a very small number of people hostile to trans inclusion. They say they are concerned about the impact on girls but they are not just standing in the way for progress for trans people they are actively trying to roll back trans rights."

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

MsBeaujangles · 02/08/2018 09:11

I do think that gender dysphoria exists and that some people who do not understand what is wrong with themselves, and do not access appropriate treatment, may act in harmful ways towards themselves and or others.

Therefore, it could be the case that those turning their emotions outwards could end up in prison, as is the case for many people with mental health conditions.

As a result, if transitioning is considered an appropriate treatment that is likely to reduce symptoms and improve behaviour management of those receiving a diagnosis of GD, I have no problem with it. I don't think anyone should be able to transition in prison as part of a lifestyle choice/part of identity expression.

Needles to say, I don't think that transitioning should result in anyone accessing prisons for the opposite sex and I very much doubt that anyone who has committed sex crimes against adults or children would receive gender dysphoria as an underlying diagnosis!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 02/08/2018 09:15

The BPS raised a similar concern in their written submission to the Trans Equality Enquiry wrt to convicted sex offenders expressing a wish to transition

TheOrderOfThePenis · 02/08/2018 09:21

"James Morton, of the Scottish Transgender Alliance, said: “Our understanding is that transitioning does not erase your past if you’re a sex offender.

“You have to give your new name to police. Trans people usually encounter greater suspicion. I don’t think it helps people blend in.”

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

Really powerful and convincing statements by James there.

The fucking arrogance of thinking you know best and that statements that rely on what you think and what you’re sure of is actually enough when we are talking about the safeguarding of children. Angry

I’ll need some actual evidence James, not your fucking best guess

TimeLady · 02/08/2018 09:23

Gender dysphoria has been deemed a non-MH condition (by WHO and others) and it's clearly not a physical illness.

So why is 'treatment' available on the NHS? What sort of health issue is it?

MsBeaujangles · 02/08/2018 09:29

Rowantrees

Picking up of LA tguidance to schools. English LAs use the same defence for not conducting EQIAs - that they expect schools to undertake them. However, apart from Cornwall, I have yet to see a policy that advises or even mentions EQIAs. In addition, the guidance is written in a manner that tells schools what they 'should do'.

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'.

Sorry if I am derailing the prison thread - just wanted to pick up on this point!

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:30

The suggestion that safeguarding concerns might be allayed if 'police have your new name' demonstrates a lack of awareness, experience & knowledge of how child protection actually works.

Wanderabout · 02/08/2018 09:31

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'.

Absolutely this.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:33

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'

I completely agree MsB

Wanderabout · 02/08/2018 09:35

The suggestion that safeguarding concerns might be allayed if 'police have your new name' demonstrates a lack of awareness, experience & knowledge of how child protection actually works.

Safeguarding experts, GC women's rights advocates and legal experts, need to have oversight, and thorough impact assessment and risk analysis need done independently of trans lobby org input on policy, law, guidance etc in prisons and the rest.

Not doing this is what has got us into this mess in the first place. Doing it is what will get us out.

TheOrderOfThePenis · 02/08/2018 09:35

Quite R0wantrees. And given that nearly half of a trans prisoners are in there for sex offences, it would behoove James to get up to speed.

TheOrderOfThePenis · 02/08/2018 09:53

I’d be seriously questioning myself if I was called on to provide balance in article that highlights the danger of allowing sex offenders to transition.

On the plus side it does show up the inherent conflict of rights between transgender people’s right to privacy vs children’s right to protection from sexual abuse.

JuneOsbourne · 02/08/2018 09:53

According to that piece he is down on the sex offenders register as Crystal (or whatever fucking stupid spelling he's using). Which is good from a safeguarding perspective but yet another skew of the stats of "women" sex offenders. FFS.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 10:02

is down on the sex offenders register as Crystal (or whatever fucking stupid spelling he's using). Which is good from a safeguarding perspective

Changing names and being able to hide the past is very significant.
Identifying and recognising safeguarding concerns do not start with the sex offenders register.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 10:05

sorry, I should have said, dont always start with the sex offenders register!

ThatDoctorEM · 02/08/2018 10:25

Hi, Paedophilia is something I deal a lot with.

What concerns me is that 'trans' seems to be using the process/normalising the process which paedophiles have used for eons. Endorsing the idea that parents/guardians just don't understand and fracturing that line of communication is a red flag for me.

Whether it is online grooming, the boyfriend model or incest they all follow a procedure.

  1. Contact
  1. Create a secret between abuser & child (Pornography is often used here - showing the child porn), with trans the secret can be the transgender status

3.Break the lines of communication between parent/guardian & child (In accounts one often hears how the abused was made to believe that their parents/guardian just didn't understand them, or maybe didn't want them to be happy)

  1. Isolation
(from friends or anyone who could intervene) Often the child is told that friends and family would be ashamed of them.
  1. Threat
(CSA imagery is often produced and there will be a threat that this will be shown to parents or posted online), threats of violence to family members if the abused tells.

I have included screen grabs of Jessica Eaton's important tweets. Eaton is an expert in CSA and works with victims of abuse. She is raising the alamer over gender identity and firstly how it prevents her and others from addressing the trauma which victims of CSA have.

Paedophile expert warns of transitioning as a ploy
Paedophile expert warns of transitioning as a ploy
Paedophile expert warns of transitioning as a ploy
BraveAndStunning · 02/08/2018 10:41

Among the councils which have endorsed the guidance produced by LGBT Youth and the Scottish Trans Alliance, Glasgow, West Lothian, Clackmannanshire and South Lanarkshire said they were unable to publish an assessment of the likely impact on other pupils as they had not carried one out. Edinburgh City Council failed to respond. The office of the Scottish Children's Commissioner, Education Scotland and the Scottish Government have all also backed the LGBT Youth guide.

Actually LGBT Youth had to issue a retraction of the 'error' where they claimed that their document had been 'endorsed' by the Scottish Government. However, the Scottish Government itself did not issue a denial that it had endorsed it for about six months after publication. There is no way that they did not know about it, because they received a large number of letters from women objecting to it, including me.

LGBT Youth have been going into schools with their 'LGBT Schools Charter' and have been actively pushing schools to sign up for it. They are going to continue to roll this out to schools and have in received additional funds from the Scottish Government this year.

They have been recruiting for personnel who will be managing the roll out of the School's Charter across Scotland. This roll out is being done by stealth, and without the knowledge of parents re the agenda of the charter. The 'LGBT' banner gives the impression that it is about LGBT rights, rather than the focus on the T and the gender issues that are documented.

If you live in Scotland, it's time to start objecting to this, especially if your kids go to Non-deminational school, because it is those that are being targetted first. I imagine they will have more issues gaining entry to the denominational schools.

ReluctantCamper · 02/08/2018 10:43

oh god. the picture of Mark Cummings, the murdered 8 year old at the end of that article.

people who think being required to provide your 'deadname' for DBS checks is an infringement of your privacy

look at that picture

understand the pedophiles seek out situations with access to children

think about the fact that you're prioritising your comfort and convenience over the safety of children.

BraveAndStunning · 02/08/2018 10:43

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/lgbt-charter/lgbt-schools-charter/

JuneOsbourne · 02/08/2018 10:57

Changing names and being able to hide the past is very significant.

Yes sorry you're right. Poor wording on my part. I kind of meant... "Well at least there's that...." But of course the whole thing is outrageous. I was just trying to highlight the additional angle of skewing female crime/offender percentage stats.

Bowlofbabelfish · 02/08/2018 10:59

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

Well let’s do one then. I don’t get to say ‘yeah I’m fairly sure this drug will work, aye.’ I have to test it and be sure. So let’s do an impact assessment. You can’t be at all worried about it if you’re sure can you?

LangCleg · 02/08/2018 11:07

ThatDoctorEM The other thing (aside from confidential disclosures and parental alienation) with regard to safeguarding that is currently concerning me is the disavowal of multi agency involvement under the Working Together framework. This reneges on the institutional checks and balances that provide a barrier against abuser infiltration in one particular agency.

(www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-together-to-safeguard-children--2)

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 11:08

re: Jessica Eaton's comment in Tweet above:

'every week social workers approach me about traumatised kids after abuse and traumasuddenly identifying as trans and SW being told to just affirm it rather than working through the trauma'

See resources including video and leaflet for young people in care and toolkit 'Trans Youth in Care - a Toolkit for Caring Professionals'
www.lgbtyouthincare.com/trans-youth-in-care-resources/

Also: www.lgbtyouthincare.com

These resources seem to have mostly been generated in Manchester supported by Tara Hewitt (TELI UCSM), Three cIrcles Fostering (Wilmslow), The Proud Trust (patrons incl prominant TRAs Stephen Whittle & Christine Burns)
www.theproudtrust.org/about-us/our-patrons/

With additional acknowledged support from Mermaids & GIRES.

The Toolkit (publ 2017) seems heavily based on Allsorts Toolkit but has additional content due to the focus being children in care.
There are many issues with the content

In 2014 Jacob Sibley (director, Three Circles Fostering) and Andrew (the LGBT foundation) completed a consultation on the experiences of LGBT people in care. Their findings helped produce a resource
entitled 'Supporting Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans Young People - Information for Foster Carers’. During May 2016 Three Circles Fostering met with some individuals who highlighted the need for more training and awareness specifically for care professionals in how to support and care for trans young people in care.
From this, Charlotte Andrew (NT&AS), Sage Aalto (Three Circles Fostering), Tara Hewitt (NHS Equalities lead) and Jacob Sibley
(Three Circles Fostering) completed a consultation with The Proud Trust Afternoon Tea group in September 2016 and with care leavers and individuals at the Sparkle event in Manchester July 2016.
A resource titled ‘trans youth in Foster Care- know your rights’ was produced which is hoped to be shared with all young people in care nationwide, this can be viewed at www.lgbtyouthincare.com.
F i n a l l y, a t o o l k i t t o i n f o r m c a r e professionals working with Trans young people, to ensure positive outcomes has been produced."

leaflet for looked after children

Toolkit for professionals

video

@LisaMuggeride 's event last night:
'Claire Graham will be comparing two sets of statutory guidance for schools, to illustrate the impact of this blindspot.'