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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 29/07/2018 20:01

When you see threads plopped into FWR, especially the curious repeat of well worn subjects, I recommend you check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads being referenced on twitter with screen shots & flagging in either MNHQ or outlets to try & get articles commissioned.

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arranfan · 15/10/2018 10:38

I might be wrong but it probably comes down to the reason that they were removed, IYSWIM?

Removed for plain old contraventions of TG and ostensibly new? Transgress away.

Removed for special guidelines and a Poster Who Should Know Better And Be Experienced In Writing Within Guidelines - 3 strikes.

Who knows? But, it's very different here compared to the sort of communities that the Stanford & Cornell researchers looked at.

arranfan · 15/10/2018 10:43

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3064926-Number-of-trans-people-who-are-murderers-is-greater-than-the-number-of-trans-people-who-are-murder-victims-in-UK-Title-amended-by-MNHQ?msgid=81653717#81653717

That thread is a useful case in point. It was originally < 3 pages, with some useful figures. There was some useful discussion but it is now a bloated 30 pages that is very off-putting and full of [insert preferred phrase]. At least MNHQ haven't removed all of the previous posts from the disruptor with sock puppets as that would make the whole thing worse than a fishing net.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/10/2018 10:58

Yes, I was on that thread - mostly begging people to stop posting! :)

I'm still confused re the new guidelines re what's acceptable here and what is not.

VickyEadie · 15/10/2018 14:33

I see school gets out early for some of the offensive plop-trolls...

GulagsMyArse · 16/10/2018 13:28

Bumping today, feel the need

GulagsMyArse · 16/10/2018 21:46

bumpity bump

BirdseyesFrozen · 16/10/2018 22:48

Bump now.
Don't tell them your name Pike.

FermatsTheorem · 16/10/2018 22:53

Absolutely, Birdseye. In fact, with some recent threads, "run silent, run deep" and don't post on them at all... they will soon drop off the front page.

LorettasBox · 16/10/2018 23:30

Evenin' all. Be careful out there.

EatPeanuts · 16/10/2018 23:44

bump

gilchrist168 · 17/10/2018 00:11

Things that go bump in the night.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2018 08:10

What has been happening overnight? Do tell!

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 12:07

I'm currently back to the internal voice saying "liar liar liar liar liar"

AngryAttackKittens · 17/10/2018 12:09

Mine is going "bored now".

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2018 12:10

Which thread? I promise I won't engage.

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 12:17

The one about a thread from ages ago and if it would get the same responses today.

It's almost like reading a post from a Bambi-eyed innocent. Almost.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2018 12:28

Oh that one! Thanks. Not the one with dad Joke then.

Manderleyagain · 17/10/2018 12:29

You are right about that thread. But many people are making good points (especially at the beginning of the thread before it got fighty).

TransposersArePosers · 17/10/2018 12:30

I thought something was a bit 'off' with that one Loretta, but responded anyway. Should trust my gut more.

It was the (fingers crossed!) that finished it for me

arranfan · 17/10/2018 12:32

Research discusses the disruption of online social communities and highlights some repeated patterns of behaviour. I recommend the whole paper.


A research project involving Cornell and Stanford looked at ways to automate the classification of particular categories of poster: Antisocial Behavior in Online Discussion Communities

cs.stanford.edu/people/jure/pubs/trolls-icwsm15.pdf

There's a section that Germaine Bunbury might find relevant at present, it's almost as if there can be 'sleepers' who post for a while, matching the tone of other posts and then try and move that tone to a more hostile and aggressive one. From the faux-naif to, "You're all transphobic bigots and no wonder people hate you". These people are looking for the screen shot moment, perhaps.

Antisocial behavior, which includes trolling, flaming, and griefing, has been widely discussed in past literature. For instance, a troll has been defined as a person that engages in “negatively marked online behav- ior” (Hardaker 2010), or a user who initially pretends to be a legitimate participant but later attempts to disrupt the community (Donath 1999).

Empirically, we find that many of these banned users exhibit such behavior. Apart from insults and profan- ity, these include repeated attempts to bait users (“Ouch, ya got me. What’s Google?”), provoke arguments (“Liberalism truly breeds violence...this is evidence of that FACT”), or de- rail discussions (“All I want to know is...was there a broom involved in any shape or form?”).

arranfan · 17/10/2018 14:43

It's almost as if some of the naif, "What-aboutery" might be designed to tie posters up and engage them at a time when they might be talking to others and asking/helping others to fill our GRA consultation returns...

VickyEadie · 17/10/2018 15:22

It's almost as if some of the naif, "What-aboutery" might be designed to tie posters up and engage them at a time when they might be talking to others and asking/helping others to fill our GRA consultation returns...

That's been my view for a while.

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 15:26

Well, tbh, I only use MN when I have the opportunity, and the only thing that posting on here stops me doing is prioritizing cleaning the kitchen work surfaces. Which are minging at the moment so I should get on with it, but.

If any looney tunes AWA think they are shutting down RL activism by getting people to post on MN, they've been more warped by thinking the entire world exists on the internet than I thought.

deepwatersolo · 17/10/2018 16:02

Can someone give me a headsup on what AWA stands for? I remember it was suggested to substitute TRA on here, but can‘t remember what it means for the life of me.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 16:08

AWA = anti-women activist

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