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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 29/07/2018 20:01

When you see threads plopped into FWR, especially the curious repeat of well worn subjects, I recommend you check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads being referenced on twitter with screen shots & flagging in either MNHQ or outlets to try & get articles commissioned.

OP posts:
VickyEadie · 11/09/2018 13:52

arranfan

Correct.

Poppyred85 · 11/09/2018 13:52

Just put a public service announcement on that thread...near unintelligible as it was.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/09/2018 13:53

It seems to be bumping its own thread and arguing with its sock-puppet.

arranfan · 11/09/2018 14:09

Not a Milligan fan, but I was looking for the famous Spike Milligan (?) black and white boxing match sketch that would be the best way to express an online fight with only one's own personae as the antagonists.

However, I found a different boxing match I'd never seen before which puts me in mind of what happens when a community has guidelines that bind it but not those of an anti-social frame of mind. See 2 mins in: "What's it like fighting a bloke that doesn't hit back?"

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/09/2018 14:33

I just reported because the spelling and grammar were triggering my OCD

FermatsTheorem · 11/09/2018 14:57

And another thread has popped up, effectively saying "If it was one of you lot who was the person talked about in that complete travesty of an Independent article, please could you fess up? Makes doxxing so much easier when it works that way... Ta v. much."

arranfan · 11/09/2018 15:02

Quoting from the Cornell & Stanford paper I linked above:

While most users tend to be civil, others may engage in antisocial behavior, negatively affecting other users and harming the community. Such undesired behavior, which includes trolling, flaming, bullying, and harassment, is exacerbated by the fact that people tend to be less inhibited in their online interactions (Suler 2004).

[We are addressing] several questions about antisocial behavior: First, are there users that only become antisocial later in their community life, or is deviant behavior innate? Second, does a community’s reaction to users’ anti- social behavior help them improve, or does it instead cause them to become more antisocial? Last, can antisocial users be effectively identified early on?

I'm using this paper as a lens to view the posts from users - particularly the researchers' discussion of the work they did to predict FBUs (Future Banned Users).

In fact, we only need to observe 5 to 10 user’s posts before a classifier is able to make a reliable prediction. Further, cross- domain classification performance remains high, suggesting that the features indicative of antisocial behavior that we discover are not community-specific.

arranfan · 11/09/2018 15:09

Quoting again from the paper, in an interesting example of the secondary gain of anti-social behaviour in online discussion groups, it seems that this behaviour is rewarded by the community.

We find that such users tend to concentrate their efforts in a small number of threads...and are more successful at garnering responses from other users.

I know some of the moderators are reading for various degrees. I have to say that if they could obtain ethics approval, Mumsnet would make a fascinating field study.

arranfan · 11/09/2018 22:13

Just to recommend the paper once again. not just bumping, no-

BlackeyedSusan · 12/09/2018 00:57

they are already allowing some research into posts onmumsnet. there is an opt out thread in site stuff. May have been stickied somewhere else as well...

Charliethefeminist · 12/09/2018 01:31

There is a poster here who I think is very trusted who may not be what they say.

Ereshkigal · 12/09/2018 08:24

Morning bump

MsBeee · 12/09/2018 08:26

bump

VickyEadie · 12/09/2018 08:27

New one started - - have reported as clearly goady attempt to garner screenshots.

MsBeee · 12/09/2018 08:30

Bump

arranfan · 12/09/2018 13:13

Written by another poster in another thread:

dearly love a thread like this to have no takers whatsoever. None.

But it's impossible to impose.

Quoting the research again that indicates the secondary gain of some posts and that it ties up community resources:

We find that such users tend to concentrate their efforts in a small number of threads...and are more successful at garnering responses from other users.

Do we think this is in any way dispiriting for lurkers or newcomers to particular online communities who might post (relevant) topics that attract no discussion?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/09/2018 13:17

Do we think this is in any way dispiriting for lurkers or newcomers to particular online communities who might post (relevant) topics that attract no discussion

Maybe - but if they are interesting threads why wouldn't they attract discussion - although FWR is a bit 'trans happy' atm.

arranfan · 12/09/2018 13:24

Relevant doesn't always overlap with interesting, perhaps? And the researchers indicate that it can have an adverse impact on other discussions by extension.

Allowing volunteers to take over some committees that give them disproportionate power seems to be a tremendously successful form of entryism in some organisations. A tiny number of people manage to have a disproportionate influence.

I dare say some Green Party members had no idea what was happening to their constitution because nobody read the relevant, but not particularly interesting material.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/09/2018 13:26

Here comes ANNNNOTHER ONE!

VickyEadie · 12/09/2018 15:54

BUMP.

dolorsit · 12/09/2018 16:09

I've never used the hide thread facility before.

I've used it twice today. I'm worried I'm on a slippery slope and will be subscribing to a block list on Twitter so as to maintain my "personal reality bubble safe space" Smile

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 12/09/2018 16:09

Gordon Bennett!

Feminists say a person's sex is determined by chromosomes, reproductive organs etc - ie biology - and not sex-role stereotypes.

Why would we play a game of 'guess my gender' predicated on reading stereotypes?

It's busy today isn't it? They must be bored now that Goldsmiths won't let them play on social media...

VickyEadie · 12/09/2018 16:12

I thought we'd agreed earlier to ignore the goady screenshot harvesters? Because that's all it is - they're looking for screenshots they can use on a twatter thread called 'Look! They can't even agree on this!'

Should we start a thread entitled 'Am I Northern or Southern'?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 12/09/2018 16:31

I think that's an excellent idea. We can discus whippets!

Iused2BanOptimist · 12/09/2018 19:00

I think there's a new one starting. Not going to engage though I'd love to know what everyone's having for supper. (Leftovers night) :(

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