Suicide stats for women

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We keep hearing about suicide stats for transwomen and that these justify any action which might take precedence over women's rights.

What are the stats for women? Can someone point me in the right direction?

Start at ONS: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2016registrations

I would be interested in the suicide attempt rate, as men use more violent methods and tend to have a higher success rate than women.

I'm not sure about stats but my understanding is that a key difference is how it is attempted/carried out. Men are more likely to do something more 'violent' and therefore likely to be more successful, -hanging, firearms, stepping in front of a train. Women tend to do things like take an overdose which increases the chance of survival. Obviously it isn't totally cut and dry but it may actually be hard to compare because it may be that a TW fits a male pattern and therefore has a lower survival chance.

I don't want to sound too brash about it, it is a very sensitive subject, but one can run the risk of comparing apples and oranges.

Cross posted as I am very slow at typing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

Women of South Asian origin have a very high suicide rate

Anyone remember this?

www.standard.co.uk/news/abused-asian-women-behind-soaring-toll-of-railway-suicides-6614996.html

Awful.

The rates of feeling suicidal directly after pregnancy are v high can't remember where I saw this but was struck by it.

The Wiki link above says that women have suicidal thoughts at higher rates than men; men attempt suicide more often; and men are more successful (both as a % and actual number)

South Asian women have a higher suicide rate than men. But no one really cares that lots of women of south asian origin are killing themselves.

I’m not sure that looking by sex us helpful. It’s correlated to all sorts of stuff like ASD and childbirth and long term health issues & etc & etc.
And correlated to social media use. The often quoted trans survey was online - people found it and chose to do it. Interest in the topic means the results aren’t representative of the population.
I don’t think discussing this online is ideal. I will be reporting the thread in case the people in the Towers wish to delete..

Suicide isn't morally or legally comparable to murder because the suicide victim is their own perpetrator, they didn't harm a third party or take away a third party's agency and had some degree of choice about ending their own lives, unlike a murder victim who had no choice about it. I get really annoyed when MRA types use men's suicide rates as evidence of "male oppression": no, it isn't, women aren't making you kill yourselves, that's your doing, call the Samaritans and talk over why it is that you don't want to live the life you're currently living. The same applies to transwomen: women aren't making you kill yourselves, that's your doing, it's male violence against yourselves.

My point being that, whilst suicide rates correlate to poor mental health and a tendency to use violence to "solve" problems, they aren't a measure of oppression.

I think it's an important thing to talk about, but we mustn't give methods in detail or glorify it.

crunchymint

"South Asian women have a higher suicide rate than men. "

Why would that be?

Male suicides as an indicator of the higher tendency to violence among males seems rather obvious.

Women’s suicides are often recorded as accidental overdose/misadventure against cause of death or open verdicts at inquest, whereas the methods men use are more clear cut & accurately recorded as suicides. This means its hard to make a direct comparison due to the persistent bias in the recording of stats.

boatyard That is true. A friend killed herself, but because of pressure from relatives it was not recorded as a suicide. Even though all her close friends knew it was suicide.

children Abuse from Husbands and in laws, and the difficulty of leaving those situations.

I don't have a link for this, but during some recent Domestic Violence training I was told by a big DV organisation that 3 women a week commit suicide because of DV. So added to the 2 women a week killed by a partner/ex partner, that's one for every week day.

thebewilderness
"Male suicides as an indicator of the higher tendency to violence among males seems rather obvious."

So called 'violent' methods are clearly more effective. If suicide is the actual objective, rather than just attention seeking, then their use is grimly logical. There is usually nothing stopping women from using the same methods should they wish to.

Grey we should also consider those women who are left with life changing injuries following dv. They are not a stat because they survived, but often they were lucky to do so.

WonderFluid Socialisation affects the suicide methods used. Plenty of people attempt suicide and mean it, but fail. And others attempt suicide, succeed, die a drawn out death, and regret it. Your comment is way over simplistic.

in the UK suicide is the leading cause of death among new mothers:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/new-mum-suicide_uk_58481bdee4b07fd553cef3d3

www.standard.co.uk/news/abused-asian-women-behind-soaring-toll-of-railway-suicides-6614996.html

Crunchymint, which particular bit of socialisation convinces these women to jump on to rail tracks?

wonderfluid Looking internationally. How people commit suicide is culturally influenced. As is whether they are more or less likely to commit suicide. Google, there is lots of research around this.

If suicide is the actual objective, rather than just attention seeking

oy vey WonderFluid

revolting attitude

but please, do continue to compound this.