Suicide stats for women

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We keep hearing about suicide stats for transwomen and that these justify any action which might take precedence over women's rights.

What are the stats for women? Can someone point me in the right direction?

Camper That is a disgusting way to talk about a group who commit suicide. Talk about a total empathy bypass.

Yes

If this thread can avoid the whole 'attention seeking' bit i would be very grateful

Crunchymint, regardless of the culture men are almost universally more successful at committing suicide than women. That is why this group of Asian women is interesting - they demonstrate that there is no such thing as a 'male' suicide method, only that some methods are far more effective than others.

Unless we regard these women as being more violent than their white counterparts, men included; do you?

And why is a gunshot to the head or hanging considered more violent, more male, than a pill overdose? Either one can lead to agony or a miserable post-suicide attempt existence should they fail.

I considered suicide once. The method I concluded would be the best is simple, painless and 100% effective. It is not violent in the slightest and it is common knowledge, if not commonly used - a few minutes on the web would draw most people to the same conclusion. Culture had nothing to do with it, whether my objective would be achieved or not did.

Within the context of the thread I do not think suicide rates amongst transwoman should justify erosion of womens' rights. If anything it simply demonstrates that they still think like men.

WonderFluid Most suicide is not well planned for days ahead. Most suicide is decided that day. That is why the number of people dying from suicide in Britain went down when the number of paracetamols you could buy at a time were limited.
South Asian women in Britain who are most likely to kill themselves are abused by Husbands and in laws. They have every element of their life controlled, so often have no access to money or to over the counter drugs. That limits their suicide methods in a way that most other women in Britain are not limited.
Access to methods matters a great deal. Which is shown when we look at the suicide rates amongst different professions.

And para suicide is the phrase usually used when people have no intention of killing themselves. Although they do sometimes succeed. Para suicide can be a warning sign of future suicide.

But read about people who try and jump off Beachy Head and have been stopped. Most never attempt suicide again. Method is not linked to how long someone has felt serious about suicide.

There is also an element of social contagion amongst young people with suicide. There are press guidelines to try and prevent this. They are not always followed. And the way many transactivists talk about suicide on social media is against these guidelines. And does increase the likelihood of suicide.

Is someone complaining that women are rubbish at suicide? Nice.

Other things into the mix.

Recent news that fastest growing group for suicide is young women.

Other point is that women may give more consideration to those who are likely to find them and therefore choose less messy methods/ ones which won't traumatise bystanders. Just a couple of thoughts.

Many women hang on for their kids also. Single parents for eg .

The Samaritans had a lengthy comment about this on their last report into suicide.

It pointed out there were a lot of inconsistencies in the way suicide was recorded. They reflected that the difference between male and female rates wasn't necessarily just that men were more successful than women at suicide because they tend to choose more violent methods. They also pointed out that because of the way stats were recorded, it was perfectly possible that lots of women WERE indeed successful but the cause of death was given as something else simply because of the way they attempted suicide.

In other words differences between men and women might not be as great as the stats are suggesting at all IN ADDITION to more women attempting suicide but being unsuccessful.

They also made a comment that there seemed to be a recent uptick in the number of young women committing suicide. They strongly cautioned about whether this was a one off or the start of a longer term trend, stressing that this was something that needed to be kept an eye on.

They also reflected on the influence of social media and suicide on several levels which I'll refrain from posting, but to generalise the point is that social media useage wasn't a positive influence.

The cause of death thing is very interesting. I had heard before about a preference for a verdict other than suicide and I suppose that could differ between the sexes.

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

Depressing subject all round.

"The problem has worsened since the highly publicised death in 2005 of Navjeet Sidhu, 27, who jumped in front of a Heathrow Express train at Southall clutching her five-year-old daughter and 23-month-old son. All three died instantly."

NothingOnTellyAgain
"Other point is that women may give more consideration to those who are likely to find them and therefore choose less messy methods/ ones which won't traumatise bystanders. Just a couple of thoughts.

Many women hang on for their kids also. Single parents for eg ."

When considering suicide the first thing that came to my mind was if my mascara would get smudged. I guess the Asian culture in Southall is just more pragmatic.

NothingOnTellyAgain
"Is someone complaining that women are rubbish at suicide? Nice. "

Where exactly has anyone done that in this thread?

The fuck?

You equate a woman not wanting her kids to find her after a brutal suicide method equivalent to a woman not wanting to smudge her mascara?

What is the matter with you?

I know someone who committed suicide but it was decided it was an accident

So I guess that it wouldnt be recorded as suicide

What a nasty piece of work :/

I fear you may have misunderstood me crunchyMint, my post was intended to contrast the response to the much publicised suicide stats for trans individuals with the [lack of] response to the suicide rate among new mothers.

The cause of death thing is very interesting. I had heard before about a preference for a verdict other than suicide and I suppose that could differ between the sexes.

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

My understanding is that life insurance policies are void if there is a suicide, though perhaps someone with a better knowledge of insurance & underwriting can explain this better. If a family stands to be left in penury & homeless you can see why they might push for an open verdict. Also, some religions have very firm beliefs around suicide which might make an alternative finding easier to bear.

boatyard

Plus its probably easier for the remaining family, especially if there are children involved

thanks for all the information. Chilling reading.

The life assurance is certainly an issue, although I imagine it would be for men who have it too, unless they were going out in a blase of resentment -"I'll show them" kind of thing. I suppose that if you wanted to end it all but still care for your family, then hiding the fact it was suicide is the way to go. Lots of people don't have life assurance though.

When I was in the ME years ago, it was certainly a thing for poor immigrants to run in front of cars on highways, becasue there was some compensation that would be paid to their families. The governments changed the laws eventually though, to try to prevent the suicides.

The Catholic Church will not perform the death cermony for suicide. I think it's a mortal sin (similar to murder). I'm not sure about the other religions. Obviously there is some weird thing with the martyr thing going on in Islam with the 70 virgins or what have you, but I'm not sure suicide vests are considered suicide.

The Roman Catholic Church does give funerals for those who’ve taken their own life, and has done since Vatican II in the 1960s.

I think life insurance in UK will pay if it's a certain amount of time after the policy was taken out.

The piece I read it was around the families feelings etc

Internet says typically won't pay for suicide within 12 months of policy being taken out.

Maybe they do in theory Pot but in practice it's better to tell the Priest another story. I speak from experience.

I thought they wouldn't at all Nothing. At least that's something for the families

Yes and I suspect any work provided cover would pay irrespective for this in jobs with that stuff, as the chance of someone suicidal managing to hunt out, apply for and get a job purely because they had good life cover would be pretty slim.

The feelings of the family/ including not having talk in the community & maybe the religion angle are more likely I think.

I think there’s a lot of misreading and misunderstanding, probably because so many people have been touched by suicide and it’s therefore a distressing subject.

I don’t think posters are intending to be flippant or upsetting

maybe distressing

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

In my darkest of days I'd be driving to/from work along 60mph cross country roads and I would have horrid intrusive thoughts about how I could just tip my car into the ditch/hedge at the side. I don't really know why I didn't do so but I can get a glimpse of why someone would.

There was no real suicidal ideation, more a very impulsive action (or non action) at that very point in time.

I'm in a much better place now, for me medication was totally the right course of action.