Suicide stats for women

[Bumbungo]

We keep hearing about suicide stats for transwomen and that these justify any action which might take precedence over women's rights.

What are the stats for women? Can someone point me in the right direction?

my comment was evidently clumsy, and about a particularly sensitive subject. apologies

NothingOnTellyAgain
"The fuck?

You equate a woman not wanting her kids to find her after a brutal suicide method equivalent to a woman not wanting to smudge her mascara?

What is the matter with you?"

I think the point I was making, albeit sarcastic, about women 'not wanting to make a mess' given the examples in this thread was quite clear. Men who commit murder/suicide have been reasonably described as 'family annihilators' on this board. Yet you believe that by murdering her children she was doing them a favour.

And you ask what is the matter with me.

I'm surprised that the male figure of 84 men a week hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. I only read about it on here last week and I'm astounded by it!

I don't know what the women's stats have to do with transwomens suicide stats.
Interesting to compare I suppose but one should have no bearing on the other maintaining their rights. Nothing justifies taking away our rights.
All suicide is awful and tragic, of course, and the samaritans guidelines should be adhered to, which they are often not.
I've known quite a few people who have committed suicide, one was an abused south Asian woman.
A couple were people with obvious and ongoing mental health problems.
Someone very close to me I suspect was suicide but was recorded as open because they were from a Catholic family.
I spent a lot of time thinking about killing myself when I was pregnant, I didn't because I didn't want my mum to have to find me.
I didnt know how to do it in a way I would definitely die and definitely take the baby with me.
Sounds so awful now. Unreal almost.

When there is a problem or injury that we cannot figure out how to resolve on our own it is appropriate to draw attention to it. Sometimes irrational people do this in irrational ways.
Doing things for attention and being selfish are accusations that girls hear from the time we are very small. They teach us to suffer in silence.

If you do not want people to suffer in silence it would be a good idea to encourage drawing attention to problems and injuries and encourage self care.
Do not teach your children to set themselves on fire to keep others warm.

The latest statistics indicate that male suicides are going down and female suicides are going up.
Still, it is the children being suicidal that I relate to. There is no escape from childhood. No safe place.

There was a drug being prescribed widely in the eighties that dramatically increased suicidal ideation and there was a huger correlation between people taking it and one car accidents.
I am sorry I cannot recall the name of the drug.

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I think the point I was making, albeit sarcastic, about women 'not wanting to make a mess' given the examples in this thread was quite clear. Men who commit murder/suicide have been reasonably described as 'family annihilators' on this board. Yet you believe that by murdering her children she was doing them a favour."

I can't find anywhere on the thread that men committing suicide are described as family annihilators (and why would they be? Family annihilation involves more than suicide) and I definitely haven't said that women who commit suicide are doing their kids a favour.

Maybe have another go with posting, your last one doesn't make sense.

wonder

nothing wasnt talking about the case of the woman and her children dying

She was talking about women not wanting to kill themselves in case someone they loved, mother, children, husband, found the body

I agree with pp that suicide is not a competition, and the issues faced by different groups need to be considered independently, otherwise it's all a bit apples and oranges.

The reason it comes up is that some trans groups use dubious stats as a "you have to do what we say" lever, rather than look into why. For lots of women this rings alarms as it is a tactic we have heard before. There are also never comparisons to other vulnerable groups. It's all a bit worry.