Sky news article - 'Women's rights hanging by a thread with changes to transgender law' by Dr Nicola Williams

[pookypup]

Really pleased to see a large media publishing this Dr Nicola Williams article news.sky.com/story/womens-rights-hanging-by-a-thread-with-changes-to-transgender-law-11439448 which gives a very accessible introduction to some concerns around trans debate.

It’s the first one that I’ve noticed on Sky News, hopefully the discussion might be starting.

I've refuted your inconsistent nonsense about sex segregated spaces time after time SarahAr as have many others. It's just boring.

Poor unqualified Dr Nic with only her scientific doctorate!

So in a climate where we have people saying that humans can actually, literally, change their biological sex a biologist is being called unqualified because she doesn't have a degree in fucking sociology?

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So in a climate where we have people saying that humans can actually, literally, change their biological sex a biologist is being called unqualified because she doesn't have a degree in fucking sociology?

even. What a fail that was and might teach me for trying to do smiley responses

I feel like I'm in a David Lynch film reading the stuff these people come out with.

As Lynch once said, I look at the world and I see absurdity all around me.

I never realised that my Degree in sociology means I can now ignore science....intact next time my GP tries to tell me that my depression is as a result of my female hormones I have I will tell him that he is talking crap as I have a “ology” degree.

Blimey what is the world coming to when we ignore science. Next you will be telling that Noah and the ark existed.

Apologies to everyone in the fields of humanities (I was there myself once) and gender studies, but the idea that we are more qualified to speak on this than a research scientist, specializing in biology, who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry made me laugh out loud.

Dr Nic Williams' bio does not mention any tertiary level qualification in a humanities subject at all.

Can I ask why such a qualification would be needed, given Dr.Williams is a scientist?

She seems to have a fairly similar background to me - and I’m rather familiar with how human development works. If I need legal advice to write an article I’d just run it by someone who has specific expertise, just like the lawyers run the science stuff past the scientists.

Obviously you’re a polymath genius with PhDs in law, genetics and women’s studies?

Do YOU have PhD level qualifications across the law/women’s studies/biochem fields.

Sadly after Brexit and Trump we live in a post truth world where all that matters is having an opinion.

I can't work out whether this is intentional or unintentional self-parody for a Friday afternoon! But thanks for the laugh! I fear Pratchet may have spat some champagne reading that sentence in context with glass in hand!

I am in hysterics here that scientific qualifications now mean diddly squat when referring to human biology.

Yes I mean gosh, what on earth does Dr. Williams know about human biology? How very dare she speak up on the matter, as if she were a subject matter expert or something...

I despair. I really do.

The only qualification required to understand that women's boundaries must be upheld is to be one.

Well yes. And the ironic thing is that none of this is ‘hard’ science. The mechanisms of sexual development/sex determination are fairly simple and should be able to be understood by any layperson. It’s covered pre GCSE.

All the papers that get plopped here on fMRI and epigenetics well maybe that does need a bit more expertise to dissect, but the basics are not inaccessible to ANY woman on here.

Sex determination isn’t complex science.
The idea thatwomen should have boundaries is not a complex one.

And yet simply asserting both truths here in 2018 is some sort of radical act.

Now that’s what dissertations will be written on in fifty years. If women are still allowed access to print and pens of course.

I've refuted your inconsistent nonsense about sex segregated spaces time after time SarahAr as have many others. It's just boring.

It is boring. People keep posting articles to MN which seriously distort the law. So I keep highlighting this. If people don't believe me, then read the GRA consultation or the EHRC statutory guidance - this is probably the most accessible accurate statement of the law.

@Ereshkigal - I see you have given up trying to refute the legal arguments so you now just go for personal attacks. Far easier to attack me, than the arguments.

sarah do you believe humans can change sex?

If you don’t (and nobody actually does, because gosh I have asked so many people!) then why should men be allowed into female spaces all of a sudden?

SarahAr "By full male anatomy I am assuming this means a penis. Well the thing is that a transwoman with a penis already has the right to enter women's changing rooms or refuges subject to the exception in the EA. If she means someone who has not transitioned at all, then they don't and won't have this right."

Please could you specify in which law this right that you claim is actually specifically written. Thank you.

SarahAr "According to her bio, Dr Nicola Williams is a research scientist, specializing in biology, who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry. It does not mention if she has legal qualifications. It does mention if she has studied gender studies. It does not mention any tertiary level qualification in a humanities subject at all. It does not mention any professional position within the third sector. According to her bio, her position at FPW is voluntary making her an unqualified amateur."

From the Fairplay For Women web site: fairplayforwomen.com

"Fair Play for Women is an apolitical group of ordinary people from all walks of life who have come together to fight for women’s and girls’ rights. We are concerned that in the rush to reform transgender laws that women’s voices will not be listened to. Run entirely by a team of volunteers with skills in many different disciplines, we have worked hard over the past year to bring this issue to public attention."

see you have given up trying to refute the legal arguments

I have as I said refuted them over and over again. You just keep ignoring it. And you keep flip flopping between women having protection under the EA and not. And if you think my calling that boring is a personal attack, you're very sensitive.

Wait... So in a climate where we have people saying that humans can actually, literally, change their biological sex a biologist is being called unqualified because she doesn't have a degree in fucking sociology?

Love it

O brave new world, That has such people in't!

I should say you ignore it, then you pop up again with the same stuff on a different thread.

erish

So a bit like whacka-mole

eresh...sorry

Am now feeling smug about my tertiary humanities qualification

I think ive got one of those loopy

I dont think its a very high grade...ive a feeling its a D but im obviously much clevererererer than someone with just a doctorate in biology

Which is nice

Perhaps we can self identify as biologists.

Loopy, that's not a bad idea! How could they argue against us?😉

So a bit like whacka-mole

Absolutely.