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Pussy Riot pitch invasion

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speakingwoman · 15/07/2018 22:28

So, whilst our idea of protest is an anti Trump carnival in London, this group invades the World Cup final knowing that prison and worse awaits, no doubt.

They can spoil my football enjoyment anytime. Truth is inconvenient.

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VaggieMight · 15/07/2018 23:15

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speakingwoman · 15/07/2018 23:17

So fucking what if they had ruined it? Is that really supposed to be their problem?

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Fitflapflop · 15/07/2018 23:20

They were prepared to risk being hurt.

So who would’ve got done for that then? A poor player who has nothing to do with anything, would’ve accidentally kicked a ball into their head and caused concussion. The guilt probably would’ve made him play a shit game.

It was a selfish act. And to be prepared to be hurt is such a shit act of courage when the person hurting them would suffer unintentionally. Selfish and stupid.

Fitflapflop · 15/07/2018 23:21

Oh I didn’t realise this was the feminist board. Ffs. Seems like logic has gone out the window.

hmcAsWas · 15/07/2018 23:23

Yes, well it certainly did when you arrived Fitflapflop

CanineEnigma · 15/07/2018 23:23

I think the poster meant they were prepared to be hurt by the security guys who apprehended them. Not the footballers.

NotTerfNorCis · 15/07/2018 23:24

@FitFlapFlop it's not the players who might hurt them, it's the police and justice system who certainly will hurt them.... do you not get that?

DJLippy · 15/07/2018 23:24

Indeed whatever next? Interfering with the Kings horse at the Derby?

Fitflapflop · 15/07/2018 23:28

Yes, well it certainly did when you arrived Fitflapflop

(Are we really doing this?)

No, that’s you!🙄

BettyDuMonde · 15/07/2018 23:28

FitFlatFlop

How do you feel about Colin Kaepernick?

Personally, I think the way he used his sporting platform, despite it prematurely ending his own career, was truly admirable (and he’s gone on to raise tons of cash for various grassroots projects all over the US).

Go Pussy Riot! I don’t give a fig about football so this is the first I heard of it. Off to find out more.

LassWiADelicateAir · 15/07/2018 23:30

It isn't the first time and it won't be the last time someone has run on to a pitch. It happened very quickly and from what I recall play stopped instantly. The players clearly knew something was amiss.

longtimelurkingtrans · 16/07/2018 01:07

Very very brave act. But I fear that their actions and point of protest will be conveniently ignored and they will be jailed in intolerable conditions for years to come

UglyCathKidstonBag · 16/07/2018 01:28

Good for them and I couldn’t give a fuck if they ruined the game (they didn’t).

Is there a way we can support them?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 16/07/2018 07:57

fit

Did you honestly think people thought it was brave because we were worried about them being hit by a ball?

To be fair, those things bloody hurt

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 08:02

Hit accidentally by ball versus years in Russian prison.

Yeah, I could see how fit might think the former was scarier (if fit had just arrived on our planet).

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 08:18

Pussy Riot are under the control of a dude. Most of what they do is very porny. Getting your tits out (and worse, I might add), is not a feminist act, just more porn culture.

ErictheGuineaPig · 16/07/2018 08:23

Well it made me look up what women's rights are like in Russia and I was depressed to see that domestic violence has been pretty much decriminalised in the last year under Putin. Seems worth a protest to me.

Hornets · 16/07/2018 08:48

I agree with you LaSquirrel. I see them as nothing more than agitators.

I understand that one of their 'protests' was to go into a museum with husbands/partners and have sex up against exhibits. This was in front of museum visitors including children. And the one in the church I thought was very disrespectful. I'm an atheist but I wouldn't dream of protesting in a place that was spiritually significant for other people. It seemed to me that in both these cases they were hurting ordinary people not the Russian state.

IntercontinentalButtCrack · 16/07/2018 09:21

Saw some of them last year at a tiny venue. Best gig/political event I've ever been to by a very very long way. Most diverse and inclusive audience I have ever been part of in that rural an area. Properly wonderful, memorable, visceral, political and musical.

Not even remotely porny or porn culture. You can dislike their tactics, but calling them porny is just a lazy slur.

They are a collective, not a single unit under the control of a dude as far as I know.

Everyone can be pussy riot.

It made me realise I needed to step up more and not be fobbed off by my MP with a tinned response to every email. Seeing them directly gave me the courage to be a better and braver advocate and ally.

I went to see Bananarama a few weeks after that gig. Never has pop seemed more banal and shallow. Their video and performance of "love in the first degree" did not stand up well in comparison to Masha firing out her story of years in a Siberian prison for playing guitar in a church.

Dragoncake · 16/07/2018 09:44

Brave indeed. I dread to think what might happen to them.

The Trump protests in London made me feel uncomfortable and I can't work out why. Maybe you have a point Lass.

AssassinatedBeauty · 16/07/2018 09:44

"So who would’ve got done for that then? A poor player who has nothing to do with anything, would’ve accidentally kicked a ball into their head and caused concussion. The guilt probably would’ve made him play a shit game.

It was a selfish act. And to be prepared to be hurt is such a shit act of courage when the person hurting them would suffer unintentionally. Selfish and stupid."

I mean, this is just bonkers. Utterly daft. Won't anyone think of the poor players??!

PilarTernera · 16/07/2018 10:03

They were wearing policemen's uniforms. They didn't get their tits out. It was about democracy the Russian police's abuse of power.

Here is an article by Masha Gessen about the protest www.newyorker.com/sporting-scene/replay/world-cup-2018-the-moral-clarity-of-pussy-riots-protest

Fitflapflop · 16/07/2018 10:09

“I mean, this is just bonkers. Utterly daft. Won't anyone think of the poor players??!”

Ffs, yes won’t someone? They were playing the biggest match of their lives and careers. Why is that so hard to get your head around? What’s bonkers is people like you thinking it’s ok for someone to disrupt a sports event with their stupid demonstration.

I like how the cameras didn’t give them time of day and the commentators didn’t dwell a second on it either, so more fool them.

PilarTernera · 16/07/2018 10:14

Their action got worldwide media attention (including here). I doubt they were concerned about the English-language sports commentators. Seems to me like a success from that point of view.

AssassinatedBeauty · 16/07/2018 10:21

I doubt the players were bothered at all. I'm sure they've all experienced pitch invasions of various kinds before. I think they'd probably be far more worried about opposing fans invading than some protesting women.

And TV coverage never shows pitch invasions these days, it's a standard policy which I'm sure these women would be well aware of. It made the news which is what they wanted.

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