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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ladies Against Feminism

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FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 20:39

A thread earlier in the day linked to a site called Ladies Against Feminism. I was glad I was going out into the sunshine for most of the day with my daughters, as the reminder of that site, and the ideology wrapped up around it, really upset me and distraction was necessary for a time.

I became involved with the ideology a little bit before I got married, around 20 years ago, and it coloured almost everything in my life for a decade of it. I was involved in email groups, blogging, churches that subscribed to the teachings. It affected everything - my marriage, my pregnancies, my parenting, my clothes, our lifestyle.

I actually broke free when the quiverful teachings impacted our lives to a degree that was beyond all reason. I was pregnant almost constantly for around seven years and the strain on my body was ridiculous. I had severe SPD and spent my days on morphine. My mental health was being crushed, and the drudgery was unending. I was homeschooling the kids, too.
My DP is not a bad guy at all, and he was really questioning the idea of no contraception and continued pursuance of pregnancy as an idea. He thought it was really unhealthy, to say the least, and wanted to get a vasectomy. I was horrendously conflicted - I believed that to deliberately frustrate my fertility was a grave sin, and to end all childbearing would be spiritually dangerous - after all, the Bible says 'a woman shall be saved through childbearing'.

Thankfully for me, the pincer movement of obeying your husband actually worked in my benefit, and he did have the op. I started to recover physically, and slowly began to address the whole movement and what it taught.

It had seemed so attractive to a woman from an abusive secular background, with a history of mental illness and a certain amount of chaos. Pretty, happy women, successfully running stable homes and families with many children. I thought it would be a way to protect any children I had from the kind of life I had experienced. There are books, tapes, a whole network.

You may well believe that coming out of it wasn't easy. My mental health dipped considerably as my support network, which had been entirely wrapped up in this movement, just fell away. It's taken me years to recover, and I'm getting there.

It was a real shock to see the website again today after so many years, and follow a couple of links to see familiar faces. I'm so grateful to be free, and profoundly aware of how easy it is to fall into these ideas without realising the consequences.

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ErrolTheDragon · 14/07/2018 20:46

Thanks so glad you found freedom from it. Brave post.

thebewilderness · 14/07/2018 21:01

Oh, Flora! I am so sorry and so glad you were able to find a way out.
I remember the first time I heard of producing children as weapons of war in the quiverfull movement. It was like nothing I had ever felt before.

LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 21:03

I haven't seen the thread or site you are referencing

I have watched the Duggar family shows.

I am agog at the movement. I had no idea there were people following it in the UK.

I am pleased to hear that you are all recovering, long may it last.

OpalIridescence · 14/07/2018 21:05

Ah Flora, what a world. Glad you and your daughters spent the day in the sunshine.

Nevertheless, she persisted Flowers

pombear · 14/07/2018 21:07

Floral I recognise this is a very brave and potentially difficult post. Flowers Flowers Smile

KataraJean · 14/07/2018 21:10

[FloralBunting] yay for your DH’s vasectomy and your escape. It sounds like you were looking for stability and a way to make the past all okay somehow. I have never heard of this movement, but it sounds exhausting. Enjoy your family and the life you have now Flowers

KataraJean · 14/07/2018 21:10

Sorry, bold fail there

IAmLurkacus · 14/07/2018 21:10
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OvaHere · 14/07/2018 21:15
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FlippinFumin · 14/07/2018 21:33
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FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 21:55

Thanks all for the flowers and kind words. You just never quite know when things are going to jump up and bite you, do you? I'm very grateful to have actually discovered what feminism is before my daughters became indoctrinated, really.

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Frankenterfer · 14/07/2018 22:01

Very brave post Flowers

PissedOffWoman · 14/07/2018 22:28
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LangCleg · 14/07/2018 22:40

I agree with others that this is an exceptionally courageous post.

I am glad you found your way out, Floral. Flowers

UpstartCrow · 14/07/2018 22:46

Thank you for your post Floral Flowers

Would you feel able to confirm that it would not have been possible for you to ''just leave.''
I really don't think many people understand how hard it is for women to turn their back on their family, their community and their life, and walk out.
And I don't mean that its 'easier to stay'. It's more that leaving just doesn't exist as an option.

FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 22:53

UpstartCrow, no, you certainly can't just leave. How does someone leave their life? My existence was bound up in this thing. All my friends, my husband, my kids. I was without personal income, no job, certainly no childcare (if you have a look at the LAF website, you'll see that childcare outside of the mother or older sisters is frowned on), perma-pregnant, dressed in a very different way, hair covered, homeschooling, and all with the extremely powerful conditioning of being submissive and letting my husband lead in all things because this was the way the Almighty God of the universe expected me to live.

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Notlostjustexploring · 14/07/2018 22:57

I just wanted to also say well done for your bravery, both in what you managed and for sharing.Flowers

FeminaSum · 14/07/2018 22:57

Floral I was the one who posted the link earlier and I'm really sorry that it upset you and brought up all those painful memories Flowers

I was aware of it because I was drawn to elements of the ideology during a very difficult period in my life about 15 years ago, but I never actually got involved the way you did.

I can only imagine how difficult it must have been to escape from it the way that you did, and I'll echo what others have said -you sound very courageous. I'm so sorry for having upset you like that and hope you're feeling okay now.

Floorplan · 14/07/2018 23:03

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FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 23:07

FeminaSum, it's totally cool. I've had a couple of days where something posted on MN has set off a chain of thoughts, and I'm a firm believer that when something is meant to come up and be addressed it will be.
If anything, I'm ending the day feeling very positive as I look back objectively. I'm about to go to sleep as I'm up in the morning doing a really demanding customer facing retail role, and also dealing with £1000s that I'll be responsible for delivering safely to a cash office, and everyone in my house is learning to pull their weight. I'm happy nearly every day, I never feel coerced or bullied about what I wear or feel I have to ask permission to leave the house. Liberty is a beautiful thing, but you sometimes only appreciate it if you address how many chains were holding you down before.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 14/07/2018 23:11

Flowers for you, Flora.

UpstartCrow · 14/07/2018 23:21

FloralBunting
Would you consider writing about your experience? Even if it were only to be published posthumously, or under an assumed name.

BlackeyedSusan · 14/07/2018 23:28

fuck that for a game of soldiers...

not how life is supposed to be at all... made up by men for the benefit of men. bending Bible verses to mean what they want them to mean, taking them out of context.

So glad you are free of that.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/07/2018 23:30

Oh my goodness Thanks

Tartle · 14/07/2018 23:30

Are you based in the UK flora? How big is the QF network here?

I used to follow loads of QF/ QF escapees blogs a few years ago and I find the way people get sucked into the mindset is often like you describe, it offers sense and order to those who have had chaotic and abusive childhoods. It really is a dangerous cult.

I used to feel worst for the daughters. Years spent raising their siblings whilst their mum was exhausted with babies and pregnancy and then married off after a 'courtship' where they might have been allowed at most a chaperoned side hug with their new lord and master.

Glad you managed to get away. Thanks I would be really interested in hearing more about your experiences if you felt up to sharing?