Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ladies Against Feminism

74 replies

FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 20:39

A thread earlier in the day linked to a site called Ladies Against Feminism. I was glad I was going out into the sunshine for most of the day with my daughters, as the reminder of that site, and the ideology wrapped up around it, really upset me and distraction was necessary for a time.

I became involved with the ideology a little bit before I got married, around 20 years ago, and it coloured almost everything in my life for a decade of it. I was involved in email groups, blogging, churches that subscribed to the teachings. It affected everything - my marriage, my pregnancies, my parenting, my clothes, our lifestyle.

I actually broke free when the quiverful teachings impacted our lives to a degree that was beyond all reason. I was pregnant almost constantly for around seven years and the strain on my body was ridiculous. I had severe SPD and spent my days on morphine. My mental health was being crushed, and the drudgery was unending. I was homeschooling the kids, too.
My DP is not a bad guy at all, and he was really questioning the idea of no contraception and continued pursuance of pregnancy as an idea. He thought it was really unhealthy, to say the least, and wanted to get a vasectomy. I was horrendously conflicted - I believed that to deliberately frustrate my fertility was a grave sin, and to end all childbearing would be spiritually dangerous - after all, the Bible says 'a woman shall be saved through childbearing'.

Thankfully for me, the pincer movement of obeying your husband actually worked in my benefit, and he did have the op. I started to recover physically, and slowly began to address the whole movement and what it taught.

It had seemed so attractive to a woman from an abusive secular background, with a history of mental illness and a certain amount of chaos. Pretty, happy women, successfully running stable homes and families with many children. I thought it would be a way to protect any children I had from the kind of life I had experienced. There are books, tapes, a whole network.

You may well believe that coming out of it wasn't easy. My mental health dipped considerably as my support network, which had been entirely wrapped up in this movement, just fell away. It's taken me years to recover, and I'm getting there.

It was a real shock to see the website again today after so many years, and follow a couple of links to see familiar faces. I'm so grateful to be free, and profoundly aware of how easy it is to fall into these ideas without realising the consequences.

OP posts:
Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/07/2018 23:33

floral Flowers
I'm happy nearly every day yay!

BettyFloop · 14/07/2018 23:42
Flowers
Dragoncake · 14/07/2018 23:55

Flowers Flora. You are incredibly brave.

It must be so hard to leave your life and culture behind. I too would be interested to know is how prevalent the QF culture is in the UK.

Dragoncake · 15/07/2018 00:08

Floral is referencing ladiesagainstfeminism.com

There is also Women Against Feminism, which is from a less religious perspective.

freejinger.org has discussion of various aspects of US fundamentalism, including QF.

Floral, you are amazing for getting you and your family out Flowers

DuddlePluck · 15/07/2018 00:51

Flowers & Cake Floral

I'm very grateful to have actually discovered what feminism is before my daughters became indoctrinated, really

This will likely make all the difference to them & their life-chances, congratulations & solidarity!

BeUpStanding · 15/07/2018 00:57

Flora Flowers. You rock. Thank you for sharing with us

UnderHerEye · 15/07/2018 01:31

Flora

Thanks for sharing your story. What a woman you are! You found the strength and courage to move on and embrace your life as an equal- which is fantastic. Wishing you all the best.

Flowers
QuarksandLeptons · 15/07/2018 05:49
Flowers
FloralBunting · 15/07/2018 06:52

UpstartCrow, I have thought about writing about it, yes. There are blogs dedicated to women's stories already, it did occur to me to set up something like that.

OP posts:
FloralBunting · 15/07/2018 07:00

tartle yes, I'm in the UK. The QF network isn't big here. If you imagine that conservative Protestant Christianity is a very small subset of professing Christians in the country, then a number of those homeschool. A significant portion of those will be QF. So we're not talking a huge amount. But that does feed into the isolationist 'us against the world' ideas of it all.
Obviously it is fairly self-sustaining. You have lots of kids whom you raise to believe it, and then they get married and the cycle repeats. The internet, as ever, is very significant in spreading these ideas to those not brought up in it.

OP posts:
Bespin · 15/07/2018 07:03

so glad you feel strong enough to highlight important issue to the forum and hope that you continue to grow stronger in your life. having come from a charismatic church with my partner and the sence of loss we felt when we were asked to leave I can only imagine how hard it must have been fir you in the middle of that.

annandale · 15/07/2018 07:10

Both breaking free of a terrible childhood and thinking your way out of a trap are testament of your strength and bravery Flora. Your children are lucky to have you Flowers

IStillMissBlockbuster · 15/07/2018 07:17

I've never heard of this so I don't fully understand but i'm happy that you are free of it, i guess it sounds like a cult of patriarchy.

Mogleflop · 15/07/2018 07:25

Thanks I had no idea at all about this group (cult?) but am glad you got out.

Would you consider starting a dreaded AMA thread for those who've hidden the feminist topic?

TimeLady · 15/07/2018 08:19

We have a community round here where the women and girls wear mid calf length skirts and little kerchiefs on their heads, and ive always assumed they were members of some traditionalist religious Christian group. Would that be similar to yours or is it just one of many?

UrsulaPandress · 15/07/2018 08:24

Every day's a school day on here. I had no idea such cults existed in the UK.

Truly shocked.

IAmLurkacus · 15/07/2018 08:34

timelady I think you’re describing Plymouth brethren

peuree · 15/07/2018 08:50

This is the sort of shit they write - it's a 15 year old girl this crazy woman is writing about

http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/artman/publish/HotButtonnIssues21/WhattAbortionistsWonntTelllYou1003138.shtml

TimeLady · 15/07/2018 08:57

IAmLurkacus

Thank you. That makes sense.

Poppyred85 · 15/07/2018 09:08

Liberty is a beautiful thing, but you sometimes only appreciate it if you address how many chains were holding you down before.

Thank you for sharing Floral. I occasionally look after people (women) who are escaping abusive environments and I think the part I’ve quoted above is such an excellent phrase I’d like to use it when appropriate with your permission.
Flowers

Dragoncake · 15/07/2018 09:09

If you do an AMA (which I would also love to read, if you feel up to it) please consider changing a few details about yourself.

If the community is small you might be quite easily identified.

Atlantea · 15/07/2018 09:16

fucking hell

she came to me a few weeks later, very depressed, telling me that she felt "weird." Pregnant women made her cry, and she said she felt empty. I asked her if she had regrets; she said she did. And then to my sorrow she explained that she knew she couldn't bring up a child by herself--babies were fine, but she couldn't cope with a teenager. She had the abortion a day past her 15th birthday. As I hugged her, we cried together.

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/07/2018 09:50

floral I’ve seen you mention this before and I don’t think I’ve responded previously but can I just say I think you are extremely courageous and must be a mental tower of strength to break free from this.
Huge respect to you. You should write a book.

FloralBunting · 15/07/2018 09:53

On a quick break at work. Poppy, very happy for you to use the phrase. Being of some use to women who have been in hard situations really does help me come to terms with it all.

I'll think about an AMA. It won't be until this evening, and I may well change a few details, although, tbh, all my kids are teens, in secular schools, and I've become an eeevil Roman Catholic, so bridges, well and truly burned already!!

OP posts:
Prawnofthepatriarchy · 15/07/2018 10:47

Some women will regret their decision to have a termination, Atlantea. That's not an argument against abortion but for counselling.

It ignores the fact that most women feel relief and I'm certain that preaching at telling women and girls they're bound to suffer regrets after an abortion is likely to increase the number that do.