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Is FWR anti feminist?

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Amalfimamma · 14/07/2018 18:29

I am risking a ban here, but I feel I need to post this.

As we all know the new guidelines were rolled out and we asked if the 3 strikes policy would be across the board, Justine replied and I've screenshotted her reply below.

Yesterday I was part of a particularly nasty thread where one poster was deleted numerous times for openly racist comments towards the Irish.

I reported the posts and asked if the 3 strikes stance would be taken, as per New guidelines.

The reply was no and the email has been attached.

So. There we have it. Racism is ok on MN. Biology and correct use of the English language is not.

Is FWR anti feminist?
Is FWR anti feminist?
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duckfuckduck · 14/07/2018 18:32

Has the thread gone or can you link?

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/07/2018 18:33

Thats dreadful amal

I was certainly under the impression that it would be rolled out across the boards

duckfuckduck · 14/07/2018 18:34

Thanks Amalfi.

I too thought it was across the board, not just in FWR/on trans issues.

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Amalfimamma · 14/07/2018 18:38

Glad I'm not the only one to have been under that impression.

Apparently we're wrong or have been lied to

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duckfuckduck · 14/07/2018 18:44

I'm living in England now a long time but am a Northern Irish atheist from a prod background. And I've also been called a terrorist and had the "funny" jokes aimed at me.

RepeatAfterUs · 14/07/2018 18:45

Pathetic! They are under pressure from someone. Maybe she's hoping to sell MNet to someone? Are some of their advertisers people with some vested interest in trans-critical things not being posted. EG. affiliated with drugs companies who stand to make a lot of money out of kids being put on life-long medications?

IAmLurkacus · 14/07/2018 18:47

Daily mail 👋 you want to lift a story, here’s one.

Seriously are you on twitter, can you tweet the times with this because this is fucking batshit! You can offend who you like as long as it’s not a white man with status!

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 14/07/2018 18:53

Shock Why are you more worried about offending transactivists than anyone else, HQ????

Why must women standing up for ourselves & discussing our rights be policed more heavily than racists?

Somerville · 14/07/2018 18:54

Yes, there were 5 racist posts from that poster on one thread. He/she continued even after being called out by loads of people. (Is this going to be deleted as a TAAT)? Maybe we can find other examples from other threads, so it's about the principle, rather than that one in particular?

I actually wasn't aware of the new TG because I haven't been on here much for a few months. (Though I learned about them - in a helpful way - from someone at HQ last night). But surely 3-strikes-in-close-succession-and-out should be uniformly applied? Confused

terryleather · 14/07/2018 18:59

I'm not shocked as it seemed obvious to me that it would only apply to posters on FWR..AIBU would be shut down in about 2 minutes if similar draconian measures were implemented there.

Dragoncake · 14/07/2018 19:13

I have mixed feelings. Yes, it's a double standard. It is. Obvious and frustrating.

OTOH, MN is the only place where women can meet in large numbers to discuss the negative implications of transactivism for us, children and transsexuals. @MNHQ are under enormous pressure. It would be a disaster if this place were to disappear.

If MN were the only place online where people could discuss abortion they would be coming under similar pressure.

I dislike the double standard but am happy to accept some level of compromise on fairness to keep this place open.

Also, moderation seems to have been less harsh lately. A few acronyms have been left to stand.

Somerville · 14/07/2018 19:21

I've just been re-reading the new TGs. So, there are still the general ones, then a link to the specific ones on all the trans stuff. At the bottom of that, there are clarifications under Justine's orignial post. One of them is:

Will FWR be the only area of the boards where we have a three strikes system?
We haven't had to formalise this elsewhere, but in practice, three deletions would usually lead to a suspension elsewhere on site.

The poster in question had 5 racist/abusive posts deleted in the space of one day! @Amalfimamma the message you received, above, surely directly contradicts Justine's clarification.

Pratchet · 14/07/2018 19:26

I think it's bad that a racist poster wasn't deleted.

I don't think it's worth picking a fight with MNHQ over this. Just my view, but I really really don't.

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Amalfimamma · 14/07/2018 19:27

Somerville

Exactly. I did ask in post and to the deletion email we received based on Justines clarification.

Once again, Justine says one thing and the mods another contradicting her.

I'd just like to know seeing as I have 2 strikes for posting truthful, non goady posts yet a racist is allowed free reign.

Is racism more acceptable than biology? Is racism more acceptable than safeguarding? Is racism more acceptable than feminist debate?

If the answer from mnhq to these 3 questions 'yes' then we are in serious trouble

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Amalfimamma · 14/07/2018 19:29

Pratchet

I'm in no way picking a fight with mnhq. Just asking once again for clarification on their 3 strikes policy as Justine has said one thing, the mods have said something different

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Somerville · 14/07/2018 19:44

I've reported this to seek clarification.

I'm not interested in 'picking a fight' either - and HQ know me and I'd like to think they know I'm reasonable, and try to be helpful.

But yesterday was upsetting, with that barrage of "Irish people are stupid" and Irish-people-dying-in-famine "jokes", coming, as it did, on the 13th July. (Probably no co-incidence).

ErrolTheDragon · 14/07/2018 19:51

I think sometimes, some of the mods aren't 100% clear themselves. A difference mod might well have made a different judgement.

I don't think MN is in any way 'anti feminist' but sometimes isn't as robustly anti racist and anti disablist as it should be. On a parenting site, the latter may be the most important in terms of negative effect on members.

RadicalisedPortal · 14/07/2018 20:54

Women's meetings cancelled, women held to higher standards if they discuss issues that directly affect them? Yup, just shows the misogyny we face and why we need to keep speaking up and out.

Pratchet · 14/07/2018 20:54

I'm sorry Amal I sounded judgemental.

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Amalfimamma · 14/07/2018 21:38

Pratchet

Not at all Flowers

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 14/07/2018 23:47

I agree with dragoncake

However

I'm not shocked as it seemed obvious to me that it would only apply to posters on FWR..AIBU would be shut down in about 2 minutes if similar draconian measures were implemented there

Yeah...im not shocked. But why? Why are FWR held up to a much higher standard than The rest of mumsnet

Why is potential transphobia so so so so much fucking worse than sexism, homophobia, islamaphobia, racist, disabalism. Picking on people on benefits (no idea what thats called...general cuntiness i suppose) agism

There has to be a reason? C'mon fess up...whats the reason

BettyFloop · 15/07/2018 01:26

Yeah...im not shocked. But why? Why are FWR held up to a much higher standard than The rest of mumsnet

I guess we mustn't upset the menz - as always....

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 15/07/2018 10:30

betty

Maybe

Shedloads of potentially vulnerable groups of people on mumsnet and apparently only a few are untouchable

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Amalfimamma · 16/07/2018 11:32

Somerville

Any update from your report?

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