Is FWR anti feminist?

[Amalfimamma]

I am risking a ban here, but I feel I need to post this.

As we all know the new guidelines were rolled out and we asked if the 3 strikes policy would be across the board, Justine replied and I've screenshotted her reply below.

Yesterday I was part of a particularly nasty thread where one poster was deleted numerous times for openly racist comments towards the Irish.

I reported the posts and asked if the 3 strikes stance would be taken, as per New guidelines.

The reply was no and the email has been attached.

So. There we have it. Racism is ok on MN. Biology and correct use of the English language is not.

So am I to take from this that blatant racism is a lesser offence than hurting somebody’s gender feels? I mean what actual phobia or isms are being posted on FWR, besides the blatant misogyny, sexism, homophobia and lesbophobia I mean?
The mind boggles…

I guess so hot

Maybe they would just 'feel' their way out of being a target of racism...maybe thats the theory

The trans issue is a much more topical and inflammatory one than a random poster making 'paddy' jokes though to be fair. Irish people are doing ok on the whole.

What now cocoa

Lots of 'racism' has been allowed to stand on mumsnet and disablism and benefits bashing etc

Its not just one thread

CocoFlannel9

Thank you for your contribution. At least you've read this thread.

eyes roll so far back in my head I catch a glimpse of 1977

I think the three strikes should be applied across the board assuming the offending poster has left time between the offences to be informed that he/she has actually got strike one and two.

I wasnt trying to say racism is ok, just that the trans issue is a very fragile one right now and that this website seems to be used almost as a gladitorial arena. I'm sure that mumsnet must be worried about the repercussions they may face if they tolerate 'hate speech, which seems to.be are increasingly fluid and elusive term.

But where is the hate speech though? We keep asking but we never get an answer. It’s like all this violence that we do to trans-women. It happens all the time apparently, but for some reason they’re either unwilling or unable to provide any evidence.
Also, genuine question, what is the difference between hate speech and literal violence, for example refusing to say that transwomen are women? Seems to me that if I write transwomen are not women on here they won’t try to claim it’s violence because it literally isn’t, but if I were to say it in public to someone’s face, and there was no one around to back me up, it would then be violennce, if you know what I mean. So hate speech and literal violence are the same thing but in different contexts, i.e., if it’s a context where you can’t prove its actual violence then it’s violence, but if it’s just words on a screen which are provably not violent, then it’s hate speech. Or in more simple terms, the impact of the accusation has a direct correlation to how provable the accusation is. Am I along the right lines here?

I didn't read the horrible comments that were apparently made about Irish people (and to you if you were on the receiving end) - but didn't think Irishness was a race?

Not in the 'protected characteristic under the Equality Act' sense anyway. Was that why they didn't get banned?
I would have thought joking about someone being Irish would be like teasing the French for eating frogs or losing at historic sea battles, but am ready to be educated. Have I missed something? Other than the point, for which apologies

(My grandmother's family were Irish, and we have Irish connections by marriage too (potato gags abound) so this is coming from a friendly point of view.)

I would have thought joking about someone being Irish would be like teasing the French for eating frogs or losing at historic sea battles, but am ready to be educated

The French didn't loose between 20 and 25% of its population because they lost sea battles or eat frogs legs though. Using anti Irish stereotypes as described in the original post aren't "teasing" either. It's the modern day anti irish sentiment that's has been displayed for years starting with gerard 9f Wales in 1185 when he wrote that we were barbarous, lazy and animals

BTW you're potato gags galore is goady IMHO as no Irish person would ever refer to our holocaust as a gag

No-one from HQ has responded, Amalfi; have they to you?

I'm ignoring the troll.

@OrdinaryGirl you are incorrect about the equality act.
The equality and human rights commission says;

"What is race discrimination?
This is when you are treated differently because of your race in one of the situations covered by the Equality Act."
It goes on to clarify:
In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship).

My family (Irish Catholics) were on the receiving end of direct and vicious discrimination and oppression until about twenty years ago when the GFA was ratified. We are still subject to taunts and hatecrimes, particularly at this time of year. If you have read the thread in question you'll see more detail on this.

Somerville
Not a word. @MNHQ can someone please clarify the guidelines for us ?

Somerville

I'd also say that my family were subjected to discrimination and hate crime (we were burnt out which is why we left Northern Ireland and moved to England).

It's everyone who carries pain and the hahahaha lets all laugh of the racist shite that gets trotted out from "having a paddy" lolz to how many types of dinner for potatoes to "flegs" as per whichever is your choice is unhelpful (understatement)

Thank you Amalfi - I have taken that info on board. And apologies for the offence caused.
The potato gags weren't from me (didn't give further details as too identifying) but know they will have been from ignorance rather than malice. Doesn't excuse it though. I do try to keep abreast of stuff - especially correct terminology - and don't always manage it - I do appreciate your response.

duckfuckduck
we have a long and painful history, from both sides and, unfortunately, we were often pitted against each other like pawns.

And those who used us as pawns are now the "peacemakers" and "statesmen" respected the world over.........

OrdinaryGirl
I apologise for misunderstanding your post. Ignorance, is easily identified and normally when it's pointed out the offender takes note and doesnt offend again, malice (as in the post linked) is when the offender feigns ignorance and continues to offend when told whats so offending . Ergo 5 deletions in one post.

I'm not a new poster btw. I mainly post on AIBU but created new profile as my other one has my surname in it.

Bit scary though to.be google stalked by people on here for disagreeing with their opinion - as if a new poster wouldn't still be entitled to their own.

I don’t see this ranking of different types of phobia or prejudice being a vote winner to be honest. If your starting position is that your perceived oppression is more harmful than racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or disablism, or any other phobia or ism, then your immediately alienating large swathes of the population. I can say that I’ve suffered disablism, sexism and homophobia, but I wouldn’t suggest that their affects are any worse than say racism, which I haven’t experienced due to being a white person in a predominantly white country. The insistence that everybody empathise, and sympathise, while completely dismissing, or aggressively denying anyone else’s experiences doesn’t go down well in my experience, with most people anyway. It’s an if you don’t like it then don’t do it to anyone else situation, and I think the vast majority of people feel the same once they get shat on.
I too would be interested to know why @MNHQ feel it’s appropriate to allow posters to repeatedly post racist material without sanction. Even without the backdrop of the trans thing it shouldn’t be acceptable. I’d also like to know why they are holding women on FWR to a higher standard than everyone else. Either a thing is bad and harmful or it isn’t. There should not be a hierarchy of who gets to feel more upset than anyone else, because that’s oppression by its very nature.

Quoting official reports about some jailed sex offenders abusing the self id process is also verboten

Google stalked?

As in googling my username to see the threads I've posted in, which is what many on here seem to do.

I want to thank Amalfi for starting this thread. I'm a Derry girl, born and bred on the Bogside and common as muck!

I unfortunately lived for four years in England, where I heard every 'joke' under the sun.

The irony is....I was there as a Literacy teacher. I, an Irish person, was teaching English ADULTS how to speak, read and write their own language. I never want to set foot in England again.

CocoFlannel9

That is just the advanced search button at the top of the page we sometimes use to help identify MRAs quickly and efficiently.