We are putting our money where our mouths are

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Fair Play for Women are creating a campaign to inform everyone about women and girls' rights and the GRA.

It’s having an amazing surge of support, and now there is just one more day for it to run.

I'm going to add a few more quid before it closes, because as one donor says:

The future of women's and girls' rights in this country depends on the outcome of this campaign. If any man can just declare he's a woman, we won't be able to maintain single sex spaces in refuges & prisons, or single sex services like rape crisis centres. Our ability to organise independently from men to protect our rights will be threatened. Girls and women won't be able to define our own boundaries, or maintain private female spaces like changing rooms and toilets. This is an emergency for girls and women.

Who here has contributed and what were your reasons?

Oh and btw, feminists don't plan to stop at challenging self ID.

Any space can be lawfully reserved for natal females

For the avoidance of doubt I meant any currently sex segregated space.

Donated and bumping

Also donated and bumping!

I donated. More than I can afford, really, but this is such an important fight that it is worth it.

I'm not in the UK, but the movement to extinguish the female sex* as a legally definable class of persons is global, and the UK is the only place that is offering significant resistance. What happens here will be crucial to women's rights around the world for decades to come, maybe centuries.

Three hours to go!

*I used to think the trans movement wanted to extinguish bio sex as a category, but when you look at the laws that are being proposed, it's actually only WOMEN who are being forbidden to define ourselves separately from men. Men are being very careful to write these laws so that women can't identify our way into the all-male institutions that they value, like priesthood and inheritance. And the TRAs don't raise a peep about it, of course. Because they don't give a shit about females, including those who identify as trans.

I completely understand why so many contributors to this fund have chosen to remain anonymous but I still feel sad and angry about it. From a quick squint at the list it seems the majority have chosen to be anonymous. It's outrageous really that people can't support the fund openly. I'm in my 50's and never thought I'd see a time come in the UK when people would have to do this over a basic request to protect women's rights.

On the other hand it has renewed and re-ignited my commitment to feminism, as I believe it has also done for many on here. So ultimately there have been important gains.

£21,470 with just under 2 hours to go. Well done for smashing the target!

I hope this huge success will give the FPFW team a big boost.

And I am about to contribute for the third time.... luckily I inherited some money recently....

I have NEVER felt so strongly about ANYTHING.

I have often imagined what I might have done at the time of the suffragettes.... never imagining that there would be a similar situation in my lifetime.

This feels like it - I cannot imagine a more important thing for women and girls, especially as I believe that the UK is the tipping point... if we fall, others will follow... So far it is just small countries that have legislated, although practices in the US etc are chilling....

This feels like an extraordinary and important opportunity.... and I am proud to stand beside all you amazing women in doing what I can

I hope this huge success will give the FPFW team a big boost.

Yep. More than doubled their target. A huge, huge success.

I've donated. Hope they reach their target.

I felt such visceral relief when I came back to this board, after a break, to find that Fair Play for Women and A Woman's Place had come into existence. Thank goddess, I said to myself. Women are organising to oppose this harmful trend.

Keep on keeping on.

I have donated again too.

Donated once more for someone who couldn't. It's now 22,060

£22,160 final total.

What a wonderful effort. Congratulations to all and looking forward to seeing the results.

That's great news. They will be able to do lots of positive things with the donations.

Congratulations to FPFW! I'm excited to see what they are going to do.

Hope they will have a and celebrate this massive vote of confidence in them this evening though.

And good that they've found a platform that they can crowdfund on without problems.

The TRAs rather screwed it up with their huge volume of complaints on the Transgender Trend crowdfunder which had the result of increasing donations. Crowdfunder investigated the complaints and rejected them.

Crowdfunder must have had complaints about this one as well but presumably they know exactly how the TRAs operate now and just reject the complaints automatically.

Nice to know that there will be no problems with the next crowdfunding project.

Good news all round really.

Donated. Important for the message to get out. The female sex should be heard.

Popchyk Yes, and complaints on here have Lang reaching into her pocket, so it's win - win - win!

Congratulations to FPFW! I'm excited to see what they are going to do.

Hope they will have a  and celebrate this massive vote of confidence in them this evening though.

This

Fantastic achievement. Well done FPFW and everyone who donated.

Any space can be lawfully reserved for natal females as long as that action is considered a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Arguably women's privacy and dignity are a legitimate aim and excluding all males is proportionate.

It is an argument, but it is not where the law is. The EA exceptions have to be applied on a case by case basis. Any blanket ban - e.g. reserving a space for "natal women" - is discrimination.

I will keep quoting from the EHRC statutory guidance on the provision of goods and services. It is understandable and courts have to take it into account. www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/servicescode_0.pdf

Sections 13.57 to 13.60 cover "Gender reassignment discrimination and separate and single-sex services"

From section 13.60

As stated at the beginning of this chapter, any exception to the prohibition of discrimination must be applied as restrictively as possible and the denial of a service to a transsexual person should only occur in exceptional circumstances. A service provider can have a policy on provision of the service to transsexual users but should apply this policy on a case-by-case basis in order to determine whether the exclusion of a transsexual person is proportionate in the individual circumstances

You keep contradicting yourself. Pick an angle and stick to it.
My view of the law is consistent. Transwomen should be treated as women but can be excluded from women's spaces on an case by case and exceptional basis.

That guidance refers to transsexuals which suggests it was written on the basis of understanding what used to be a fairly narrow definition covering a small number of people who had undergone SRS.

Transgender covers a wide spectrum of people most who will not have undergone and don't plan to have SRS.

Thanks poster OvaHere. I should have highlighted that the word "transsexual" is defined for the purpose of the guidance in sections 2.17 and 2.18 as

2.17
The Act defines gender reassignment as a protected characteristic. People who are proposing to undergo, are undergoing or have undergone a process (or part of a process) to reassign their sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

2.18
A reference to a transsexual person is a reference to a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

So covers a wide spectrum of trans people but not all trans people.