Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

[OrchidInTheSun]

I give you the latest in batshittery:

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FFS

Doesn't the menopause past around 3 years? So a mini one would be probably a year?

My mum is still going through it after 10 years.

Namechanged if your friend really is bleeding occasionally I'd want to know where the fuck from. If it's true (which does seem a bit unlikely) then they should be seeking medical attention.

ADastardlyThing I was just using a word to simplify a concept. so it was probably not best choosen I don't spend a lot of. time to be honest crafting my answers as it's just a public Internet forum.

I haven’t rtft so I’m sure it’s already been said but what exactly is cramping? Women experience pain and cramping because their uterus is contracting, if someone other than a woman is experiencing that feeling then I’d suggest they get themselves down to A&E pronto.

It's just so crazy. I really don't understand, is it that there's nothing else going on in the world that needs this level of 'right on' piling in?

No probs bespin, think it just got a nerve as my mum is really struggling with it and I have been genuinely worried for her health during the heatwave as she still gets hot flushes and migraines and now goes to bed at 7pm after downing sleeping tablets just to try and get some relief from it.

Long menopause can be hereditary and given other women's problems running in my family that I have I'll most likely be in for early and long menopause too, so yes it just hit a nerve that's all.

ADastardlyThing I hope your mum and you if it is something that happens get some relief from those symptoms expecially in this heat. the sysptoms we get are intense for the simple. fact. we go from normal levels to nothing every quickly. this is not done as much as it. was a preventative measure re blood cloting in surgery as private hospitals do not have the facilities to deal with internal bleeds or did not though this is improving so less of us need to do it. the night sweats were a particularly unplesent expeaiance so I can only. imagine how the heat makes them worse

Urgh! I just had a really horrible mental image of someone inventing a gadget so that men can "menstruate" too.
I'm not at all anti-trans but this is just attention-seeking bollocks.

I hate to tell you, but these are already available online. Menstruation kits. Which mimic female menstruation. Involving latex vulvas, etc.

The person in this article isn't just appropriating womanhood, they're fetishising it. Autogynephilia fetishises women's biology.
There are numerous sites devoted to it and films on YouTube involving Tampax up the bum. ( most of them keep their penis).

They are legitimately transwomen according to Stonewall.

Which is part and parcel of the problem with legislation involving men who fetishise women.

The part I haven't encountered quite so much, is the gloating. The transphobes hate this. (I.e. women).

The upfront acknowledgement that it's all about the power.

And yes, of course, genuine transsexuals with gender dysphoria are completely and utterly different.

But both groups are now legitimately transgender.

but we still do have those symptoms, and in no. way do I think they equate.

But the symptoms of menopause align with many other conditions. Hyperthyroidism for example, perhaps clinical depression or even the likes of SLE or fibromyalgia. Would you appropriate those? Withdrawal from any drug can be difficult and needs to be managed properly because they can leave you with nasty side effects. It is however, in no way comparable to the menopause.

"we come off them pre op for 4 weeks and have the same symptoms of a mini menopause (which was fun, not,) so I can simpithise with people who that an actual menopauseand was glad it only lasted 4 weeks."

As someone who has endured menopause for several years now, I'd very cordially like to invite you to go stick your head in a bag.

I'm fine with you not reading or interpreting what. I have put in the way you want I can only. again agree and say I'm in no way appropriating your experiance as you keep telling me even when I agree with you.

bespin

When you say you had the symptoms of a 'mini menopause', appropriation is exactly what you're doing.

You can split hairs over it as much as you like. If I feel sick, I don't say I had the symptoms of 'minor chemotherapy.'

Saying it on a thread like this is tone deaf at best.

I for one totally reject all this delusional nonsense, but what has particularly annoyed me is the phrase "cisters". If I have to respect your pronouns, you need to respect mine. I am not fucking cis anything!!!! This whole thing has got totally out of hand. It is gross female appropriation. If it was any other sort of appropriation it would be shut down.

Missed this one yesterday... not really sure what to say to be honest, it’s so out there.

Medically, a delusional belief is one that is sincerely held and demonstrably false. So there’s that.

This kind of thing needs to be more widely known about - I think it’d show people how strange the thought processes are.

And biologicaly no of course you can’t have a period without a uterus. A period IS shed blood / tissue from the lining of the uterus. That’s what it is. No uterus, no periods. It’s not an incidental symptom, it is the actual period itself.

The follow up tweets validating - that’s really what I have trouble with. Are people actually believing this? If so it’s a dire indictment of the state of science education.

Bespin, I sympathise with your withdrawal symptoms. I'm on a load of medication, but luckily only the one (non hormonal) has any sort of withdrawal if I miss as little as one dose - sickness, nausea, hot flushes, difficulty sleeping and night sweats, anxiety and palpitations. I can certainly understand why you would use "like menopause" as shorthand for the type of symptoms (assuming they are along these lines). I can also see that it could be felt appropriative to do so by those who experience/have experienced it.

Perhaps a better way of wording, is to say menopause is like drug-withdrawal, rather than drug-withdrawal (even if hormonal) is like menopause?

Ach. Sorry that your Mum is struggling Dastardly. It's bloody awful trying to cope in this heat with menopausal symptoms. As a slight derail, I can recommend Ice Towels as a way of helping with the awful overheating.

www.amazon.co.uk/breathable-activities-holidays-headaches-Lightweight/dp/B01IR0XRXQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ref=plSrch&keywords=ice+towel+cooling+towel&dpPl=1&dpID=51amkcTPhtL&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1531560904&sr=8-3

I would also suggest that the person in question see their doctor if they experiencing intermittent abdominal pain and cramping. This cannot of course be a period, but it could be the symptoms of a number of unpleasant and potentially dangerous conditions which could require treatment.
Cross sex hormones increase the risk of many cancers for example. I think they should go and get a thorough checkup.

Thanks Herman will get some of those, I have a bit of an Amazon order to put in today anyway :)

So now male bodies are having periods? Oh dear, they really are stretching credibility now. I think this may be a step too far, even for the most woke.

Is the next step the transplantation of female ovaries and wombs into male bodies, do you think? How hard, medically wise, would it be to shove the bowels out of the way to make room for a donor's female reproductive organs?

Only someone who doesn't have the PITA of actual periods would try and make it into a pissing contest about who has the best ones.

Thanks for the tip, heman - another one with the menopausal sweats out of control in this heat.

As someone who partook in trying to educate kids in science for a few years I would equate it to attempting to put out a bonfire of ignorance with a thimble full of rationality while having a great big Ofsted shaped monkey sat on your back whipping you with the last of inadequacy.

Science illiteracy is planted and fertilized by the huge tractor of consumerism. Logical thought and reliance on evidence is so bad for sales of utterly dubious amd overpriced things you know. And when you are under immense pressure to get them to jump through exam hoops actually getting them all to think critically for themselves is just impossible. You have to deliver stuff with an authoritarian "believe this" in order to get them to regurgitate correctly in the exam. I think some effort is made to engage the science based evidence based thought processes. I certainly did. But I ended up leaving due to stress because of that extra effort. In my opinion far to much emphasis on content and not enough of actual scientific process and riguer. No idea what the new syllabi are like though.

It's depressing. Really depressing. And this kind of nonsense is the result.

I do think it's worth remembering this is a dopey mind-fart by one trans woman.

Not an offering by the TransHiveMind. Trans women are as different from each other as the rest of the human race are.

Absolutely right, but then you see a whole load of other people agreeing, offering consolation, sympathizing etc. One person's tweets, thousands seeing tweet and believing.
I wonder when these people grow up and realise how dumb they were,will they be embarrassed?

Just googled it, and it seems you can buy 'tampons' that bleed to simulate periods!! Good grief.

I wonder if like many women transwomen suffer from diarrhea around time of their period

Mmm doubt it as there is something not quite so feminine in talking about soft stinky shit