Trans activsim's appropriation of intersex

[SunsetBeetch]

Saw this excellent thread on twitter today. Lots of interesting information.

So that's women, children, transexuals and intersex people getting trampled over by TRAs. Who will be next?

Snappity
Gendergritter responded to you yesterday, as you know as you have referenced the reply above.

"Ok well I must state it seems most likely from how you are describing yourself that you are in fact trans. Which is fine - there is nothing wrong with being yourself. If I am wrong, I have no other information to go on to understand the truth"

Intersectionality want to be left out if this debacle Snappity. It's not up to you to try to change their narrative and you're not informed enough anyway.

As soon as you say "sex is biological" you have involved them.

Snappity you are either completely misunderstanding people's points or twisting them.

Posters have raised concerns about your vulnerability.

Social media can be very damaging, especially when discussions are about things we feel personally very invested in.

Sometimes its really important to step away, even just for a short period, to go for a walk or spend time with friends.

Because I find it utterly appalling that MN are allowing someone to persist in the type of posting Snappity is doing here.

The latest set of posts show that Snappity is either quite unwell or deliberately obtuse (and goady). I have no idea which, but either way I agree with others that further conversation has become impossible.

Is there anyone that transactivists won't throw under the bus:

infertile women
women who have lost body parts to cancer
intersex people
gender non-conforming children
disabled people

etc etc etc.

And mn, a site that is supposed to be a support space for all those groups and more, is allowing it [

I see

Despite saying I am going to be here less at 6.43 this morning, I see Snappity is still posting, and those posts are becoming increasingly peculiar.

Snappity, I'm concerned about your MH, and about what I hear about your relationship.

I'm going to step away from engaging with you further, however provocative your posts. It's not doing me any good and I don't think it's helping you either.

I worry that it isn't always Snappity's words Prawn

Whether it's her typing them or not is another matter. But I agree it's worrying.

That's a very loaded view isn't it? That is saying that anyone whose biological sex isn't strictly binary is an "error"

I'm really not sure if it's a good idea to keep responding but essentially that's it Snappity.

I'm an atheist and I find biology pretty fascinating. I have a disability. Something has gone wrong in my genetic make up. Part of me is essentially flawed. And nature is very cruel and in some ways we're too removed from that these days; but equally diversity is valuable in society. People with bodies which don't conform to the norm have as much value as everyone else - to acknowledge our flaws exist isn't to state otherwise . I don't want a society where all disabilities are engineered away, say. But technically if you are intersex, something has gone wrong. I'm simply talking about your biology.

Intersex is a physical condition, not a socially constructed identity.
It is nothing to do with trans identity and I can see why members of the intersex community want no part of transactivism.

Despite saying I am going to be here less at 6.43 this morning, I see Snappity is still posting, and those posts are becoming increasingly peculiar.

I too am concerned, after reading the other thread, where Snappity's transwoman partner was monitoring Snappity's SM, and 'was not pleased'. And yet, Snappity seems to be posting even more than ever.

This is a worrying situation, to flout a 'directive' from a controlling partner - so not just MH potentially at risk, but physical well being as well. I strongly recommend dropping into your local Women's Aid Snappity, and get an assessment done of your situation.

So I concur with some of the others here - that we should not engage for Snappity's own well being and safety.

Snappity Go well.

The thing is, if you set your feet in the camp of 'words mean whatever I wish them to mean' then you have to accept that your claims will always be perceived to be doubtful by others. You are setting out by telling people that your claim may be objectively false, but that your subjectivity is more important to you.

If people cannot trust that there is a mutually agreed understanding of the words that pass between them, then all trust is broken.

Good point Barracker.

If people cannot trust that there is a mutually agreed understanding of the words that pass between them, then all trust is broken.

Precisely.

Sexual attributes form a dimorphic distribution. Were sex truly binary, this would be a binary distribution. Sex, scientifically, is a spectrum.

No, not this again. Secondary sexual characteristics, e.g. breast size, hip to waist ratio, penis size, are a spectrum, yes. Sex itself, the capacity to produce gametes, is a binary because there are only two kinds of gamete: ova and sperm. The tiny proportion of people who are naturally sterile are outside of that binary in reproductive terms, not on a spectrum somewhere. There isn't a halfway house between ova and sperm. There isn't a third gamete.

Oh dear bob and now I see the whole thread. I'll go away. Sorry.

This event which happened this week may be of interest:

ANNUAL TRANS/NON-BINARY & INTERSEX CONFERENCE

University of Brighton 19-20 July 2018

The third annual conference is being held at the University of Brighton in the run up to Trans Pride.

The Annual Brighton Trans, Non-Binary and Intersex Conference seeks to bring trans, non-binary and intersex people, researchers and allies (as well as those who seek to work better with trans, non-binary and intersex people) together in order to work towards making a more trans, non-binary and intersex inclusive society.

This year, following feedback from last year, the organisers have linked up with Intersex UK to improve the representation of intersex issues within the programme including a panel, films and Q&A.

Keynote speakers include:
Prof Stephen Whittle (Manchester Metropolitan University), Munroe Bergdorf (activist and model) and a panel of speakers from Intersex UK facilitated by Holly Greenbury and Dawn Vago.

The conference is funded by University of Brighton, University of Sussex, Brighton & Hove City Council, Sussex Police, East Sussex Fire & Rescue Service, Brighton & Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust and the Clinical Commissioning Group.'

www.brightonsu.com/ents/event/2243/

relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists