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Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo

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SpareRibFem · 09/07/2018 10:59

I don't understand, there was a lot of hand wringing after the revelations about Jimmy Saville became widely accepted. #metoo there was more handwringing about the need to listen to women when they are telling you something that makes you uncomfortable.

Saville was allowed to get away with what he didn't because he created an aura of fear and people would afraid of the backlash if they spoke up. Those that did suffered.

We were promised something like that could never happen again...

And yet now despite many women and girls saying they feel afraid and uncomfortable sharing single sex spaces with someone with a penis weren't told we're bigoted and verbally abused for saying that. Our employers are contacted and told we're bigots, we're doxxed.

And organisations like girl guides are going still further in saying it must be kept a secret when girls are being forced to sleep and change with a male bodied teen with a penis (& teen levels of hormones) and I'm not even allowed to identify what sex that male bodied teen with a penis is on a public forum

Girl Guides are taking that approach despite the knowledge that abusers use secrecy and shame to their advantage.

Just like with Saville anyone who excesses concerns is shouted down and accused of being the person in the wrong by the powerful. There is a culture of fear now. Celebrity voices in particular (thinking people like Munroe Bergdorf, Stephen Fry and long list of others) are given more weight to shout down women's concerns. Male bodied people feelings are paramount despite almost all sexual abusers being male bodied (and most of the tiny tiny number of female bodied sexual abusers working with and being in thrall to a male bodied abuser)

Did we as a society learn nothing from Saville & the multitude of other abuse scandals that women and children/girls should be listened to, that celebrities voices help hide abusers, that telling girls to keep secrets from their parents about the presence of penises in their bedrooms and changing rooms and showing them they will be blamed and abused if they transgress and tell someone creates an environment where abuse can flourish.

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R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 12:36

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The program is worth listening to. Katie Price was the guest editor:

"This week it's Woman's Hour Takeover 2018 and five guest editors join the programme to choose the editorial content, one edition each. Today it's the turn of Katie Price, reality TV star, former glamour model, novelist and business woman. Katie will be explaining why each of these topics are important to her and asking Professor David Ormerod QC, Law Commissioner for England and Wales at what stage trolling and online abuse should become a criminal offence; Dawn Childs, Group Engineering Director for Merlin Entertainments Group and Paul Kelly, Chief Executive of British Association of Leisure Parks, Piers and Attractions (BALPPA) why there aren't more rides available for disabled children at theme parks and Trevor Adams, CEO of photo agency Matrix and Charlotte Dewar, Director of Operations at the Independent Press Standards Organisation whether the paparazzi should wear passes to show they are paps and not just men with cameras."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9v6y9

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 14:05

Points from the Human Rights Committee Report:

6.Access to a court is an essential backstop for human rights; without legal jeopardy there is impunity for those who might abuse another’s human rights. However, in most cases this should be the last resort not the first. The most effective and efficient way to enforce human rights is to design and implement systems and laws that uphold human rights at the outset. A culture which understands and respects human rights is a necessary pre-condition for this.

One of the crucial arguments for allowing trans people into women's spaces is that if there is a problem women still have the law. This very much is odds with the report which stresses the emphasis that this should be the last resort, and at present the reality is that for many under current circumstances this does not exist. It stresses relance on other safeguarding structures to prevent the need to use the law. It makes the point that if you are going to court, there has already been a failure which should not have happened.

22.The ability to know about and enforce human rights is vital for the rule of law to be a reality. As well as the current review of the impact of legal aid reform in England and Wales, there is a pressing need for a much wider evaluation of the broader landscape of advice, support and means of resolution for legal problems to assess how they can collectively better serve individuals faced with a breach of their human rights. Such a process must also consider the economic viability of the whole system.

Too many institutions are giving out incorrect information with relation to women only spaces and women's right to them under the Equality Act. How can you know whether you have a case, if you are being told by state institutions things that contridict the law? This is not upholding the rule of law.

32.Rights of Women cited this quotation from a woman responding to a survey about legal aid they carried out in 2014/15:

“I earn a low income, yet I’ve been assessed as having too much disposable income [ … ] and when you aren’t eligible you’re expected to pay full solicitors costs - there’s no help anywhere in between. I’ve had to face my violent ex-partner in court twice now, and will have to continue to do so as I simply cannot afford costs “

Women are particularly disadvantaged because of the Sexism Pay Gap and their role in caring for children. They are not getting legal aid in domestic abuse cases. The system is stacked against them from the start.

The reality which is detailed at length is that many have to act for themselves in these situations. Some will be given advice and support from Women's Charities. But with so many of those charities now being hamstrung over their funding would they be able to give advice in cases which might involve issues relating to a situation that involves someone identifying as trans?

57.The removal of private family law from the scope of legal aid has had a very significant impact on children and their families. Article 12 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) provides that children should have ‘the opportunity to be heard in any judicial and administrative proceedings affecting [them], either directly or through a representative’. The UNCRC also states that the best interests of children should be the primary consideration in all decisions affecting them (Article 3 (1)).

Its very arguable that in having an affirmation only approach, the individual is taken out of the equation. Instead the interests of the group and dominant belief / outcome comes first above the individual circumstances of the child.

80.The fall in legal aid supply over the past three decades has led to the phenomenon of so-called ‘legal aid deserts’- geographical areas where legal aid advice is now unavailable in certain areas of law. In her oral evidence, Rachel Logan from Amnesty International UK gave these examples:

“[ … ] Take Devon and Cornwall. There is one small legal aid provider in Plymouth, as far as I understand it, for immigration law. It therefore deals with anyone in the entire region who has problems arising within that sphere, and it is an area of dispersal; it is an area where people are sent specifically who are trying to regularise their status or who have immigration questions. Similarly, in Oxford, as far as I understand it, there is only one firm, providing private family law.”

Which stresses the point about the law being inadequate as a fall back. Certain geographical areas are much more open to problems than others. This isn't equality. Decisions made by people living in say London where there is more availability of these services, have different practical implications for people living in other places.

84.Judicial independence is a central feature of the UK’s constitutional arrangements. The judiciary is one of the three pillars of our constitution, alongside Parliament and the executive. Each has its role and function, and together they complement each other to create the constitutional balance needed to support democracy, rule of law and the stable government necessary for peace and security. It is essential that the judiciary is impartial and independent of all external pressures so that those who appear before it, and the wider public, can have confidence that cases will be decided fairly and in accordance with the law.

There are big questions over the judge who handled the case of Maria MacLachlan's assault and what she was forced to say in court. Maria was the victim. How can victims have confidence if they are not allowed to speak their truth?

101.In written evidence to this inquiry Amnesty International UK gave its assessment:

“Successive UK Governments have failed to defend the rule of law in word as well as deed, both by failing to implement judgements in a timely fashion and by failing to defend an independent judiciary. The Lord Chancellor when appointed vows to uphold the independence of our judicial system and the rule of law. As such, the slow and lukewarm response to media attacks on judges following the Article 50 Brexit decision was worrying and disappointing.”

The rule of law in the press includes the implications of the Equality Act which protect sex as a class. This isn't happening. There is a demonisation of women in many newspapers.

133.Effective enforcement of human rights requires:

<span class="italic">access to legal advice and assistance,</span>
<span class="italic">a robustly independent judiciary,</span>
<span class="italic">a robustly independent legal profession and</span>
<span class="italic">muscular human rights institutions.</span>

134.But as Professor Vernon Bogdanor put it: “In the last resort, the preservation of our rights depends on popular support, not on institutional mechanisms.” This chapter looks at the support for human rights and the extent to which there is a “human rights culture” in the United Kingdom.

135.Martha Spurrier, Director of Liberty told us why she felt a human rights culture is integral to the enforcement of human rights:

“[ … ] while rights need not be popular, a sense of legitimacy and democratic buy-in is important. If there is a sense that such rights are in some way illegitimate or not credible, we will run into all kinds of obvious problems around how to enforce them and make sure that within communities the rights of others are respected.”

We are sleepwalking into a situation where women's rights are not viewed as legitimate and people do not value them. The culture is fundamentally stacked against women because of this.

137.A number of our witnesses cited research carried out by the Equality and Diversity Forum in 2012 on public attitudes towards human rights across the UK. This research found that while there are some (26%) who hold ‘strong hostile attitudes’ to human rights and human rights laws, and a similar number (22%) who hold ‘strong positive attitudes’, by far the largest proportion of those polled (over 50%) hold conflicting or neutral attitudes to human rights. This group are unsure whether human rights are relevant to their lives, but when this relevance is made clear their attitudes become more positive. There is also a widespread lack of understanding about how the HRA works; for example, about the fact that the Act does not permit courts to strike down primary legislation.

The majority of people don't get rights or understand them. Nor even care about them. This is exceptionally worrying. People do not understand how they are relevant to them personally. Human Rights are for other people.

138.In Scotland and Northern Ireland there are generally higher levels of support for human rights. In Scotland, a similar study to that described above, commissioned by the Scottish Human Rights Commission, found that 42% of those polled agree with positive statements about human rights and disagree with negative statements, while only 13% agree with negative statements and disagree with positive. In Northern Ireland the Human Rights Act enjoys high levels of support with 84% of the population believing it is good for Northern Ireland.

Here's a real shocker for you. The place which has fewest human rights and most right breechs understands rights most. This is so unsurprising.

141.Analysis of broadsheet and tabloid newspapers, political blogs and parliamentary speeches shows that the dominant media narrative links human rights with “undeserving” groups, such as foreigners, criminals or prisoners. They are frequently portrayed as undermining traditional freedoms and legal protections, rather than empowering and enhancing citizenship. The graphic below shows the frequency of different frames being used to discuss human rights in the media broken down by country.

Rights have a bad name in the press generally. They are framed by who deserves them and who doesn't. See graph.

Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo
RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 14:05

146.The Convention recognises that not all rights are absolute, and that sometimes rights have to be balanced one against another. Under the rule of law, it is the courts who have the job of deciding the balance in individual cases. It is perfectly legitimate for editorial content to argue that in a particular case a court has got that balance wrong, and that for example, action should be taken to change the law, or to defend existing law. But reporting itself should be accurate and enable readers to understand the broader context.

Reporting of trans crime.

A hierarchy of rights?
149.The Committee received submissions indicating that some rights are not given sufficient weight compared to others, which could undermine confidence in the human rights framework as some individuals feel their rights are not protected. ADF International commented that: “Freedom of conscience appears in all of the major human rights treaties” and submitted that “while freedom of conscience is a fundamental human right … the lack of a clear legal test to assess whether it has been violated in practice means that it is difficult to enforce.” and “recommends that the Government advances a legal test to evaluate claims of conscience to ensure the robust protection and enforceability of freedom of conscience in practice.”

Maria MacLachlan and her freedom of conscience anyone?

153.Government, NHRIs and human rights advocates should seek ways of engaging more effectively with the public about how different human rights are balanced, in order to address the perspectives that human rights are “for others and not for us” and that “political correctness” stifles debate. The Government should consider the introduction of a legal test to ensure that claims of conscience and faith are reasonably accommodated within the human rights framework. The rights of minority groups will always be vulnerable, and the acid test of an effective human rights system is that it must protect these groups, while ensuring the rights of the majority are also respected.

Balance, balance, balance!

154.Section 6 of the Human Rights Act obliges public authorities to act in conformity with Convention rights unless primary legislation requires them to do otherwise. According to written evidence received from Dr. Alice Donald, “Section 6 is–or should be–the primary driver of a human rights culture in the UK.”

155.The degree to which section 6 is performing this function appears to be patchy as it depends on awareness and training of public officials, which can vary according to the public authority. Martha Spurrier gave the example of the police’s approach to policing protests, as one where a human rights-based approach is embedded in public service delivery. By contrast, the evidence we heard recently in our inquiry into the detention of members of the Windrush generation suggests that this culture is not yet embedded in the immigration system. The Home Office’s approach to, and handling of, Windrush immigration cases suggests a culture in the Home Office that is not aware of s 6 and not informed by a human-rights based approach.

156.Public authorities are under a duty to act compatibly with the Human Rights Act (s.6), including in administrative decision making. However, as the case of the Windrush generation detainees demonstrates, this is does not always happen. Public authorities must comply with their duty under s.6 of the Human Rights Act in order to prevent breaches of individuals’ human rights

How shit hot are Council Run Swimming Pools on human rights? I'm thinking not very. Its not part of their training to think about balancing trans rights with women's and religious groups rights is it?

157.For an individual to enforce their human rights, they firstly need to know that they have rights, and secondly need to have a basic understanding of the rule of law. This knowledge is also a pre-condition for a thriving human rights culture. The central importance of education in relation to the legal system in general, and human rights in particular, came up repeatedly in the course of the inquiry. Currently levels of knowledge and awareness are very low. As Gareth Pierce told us:

“It is imperative, through any forum or opportunity, to begin to educate. National comprehension is at a very low level. We do not have a written constitution, so in our schools we do not grow up thinking, “I have rights”, with an understanding of why.”

158.In schools, human rights are currently part of the national curriculum at key stages 3 and 4. However, they are covered only ‘fleetingly’ as part of citizenship education and are not integrated across the curriculum. In academies and free schools that do not follow the national curriculum, there is no requirement to teach human rights at all.

159.We recommend that the Government should include comprehensive coverage of human rights across the curriculum at all key stages.

Schools are being educated to have a hierachy of rights. Hence policy that puts trans kids first. This is not teaching about the principles of human rights being balanced.

164.No one would argue that individuals should not be protected from abuse by the State, that public bodies should be able to act without lawful authority or that torture, slavery and arbitrary detention are defensible. The UK’s legal framework allows individuals to protect their rights and gives the courts the task of deciding that balance in individual cases, within the parameters set by Parliament, which include the Human Rights Act. There is legitimate debate over how best to protect rights and where the balance should be struck if rights compete. But no-one should lose sight of the fact that enforceable rights, and the ability to enforce them, are the hallmarks of a civilised country. Government, Parliament, the media and the legal profession all have a responsibility to consider the importance of the rule of law, and the role that rights which can be enforced through an independent court system plays in that.

This was bolded. It should be capitalised and sent to every politician.

This is just me scooting through this.

MUCH it here to go to town on to strengthen a point.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 14:53

OMG you could NOT make this up!!!!

I have another parliamentary statement for you today.

Women & Equalities Committee @Commonswomequ
In 2016 we reported on widespread sexual harassment of girls at school. Today our Chair @MariaMillerUK welcomes draft guidance for schools on Relationships and Sex Education to tackle this and says schools shouldn't wait to act on children's safety.

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/news-parliament-2017/draft-guidance-relationships-health-education-schools-statement-17-19/
Reaction to draft guidance on relationships and health education in schools

Commenting on new plans published today by Education Secretary Damian Hinds, Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee, Maria Miller MP, said:

"The publication of the draft Relationships and Sex Education guidance is very welcome as a critical step forwards for children’s safety.

It follows our report on Sexual harassment and sexual violence in schools in 2016 which found that school is not a safe or equal learning environment for many children, especially girls.

Those working at the grassroots have known this for many years and it is positive that the Government is now starting to listen.

I would urge schools to start implementing the new RSE guidance as soon as is practicable and not wait until it is in force.

In addition, new safeguarding guidance on sexual violence will be in place this September so schools should prioritise making sure that their policies and procedures clearly address sexual harassment and sexual violence, and the culture that underpins them.

All children have the right to grow and learn in a safe and supportive environment.”

DfE @educationgovuk
All #schools will teach #children about good physical and #mentalhealth, how to stay safe on & offline, and the importance of healthy relationships under bold new plans published today by #Education Secretary @DamianHinds #RSE

Important point
The new guidance has been developed in response to a national call for evidence earlier this year and includes topics like mental wellbeing, consent, keeping safe online, physical health and fitness and LGBT issues. It will now be subject to a further 12-week consultation on the content and how the subjects are taught.
www.gov.uk/government/news/new-relationships-and-health-education-in-schools

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 14:54

Klaxon

Another 12 week consultation period over how children are taught about LGBT and consent issues*

moimichme · 19/07/2018 20:31

RedToothBrush Thank you so much for trawling through to highlight this invaluable information! The new consultation about teaching children about these health and relationship topics is very important, too.

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 10:06

(Doing a Rowan!)

Excellent article about safeguarding and parental alienation here:

quillette.com/2018/07/20/trans-activisms-dangerous-myth-of-parental-rejection/

MN thread discussing it here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3312963-Every-parent-should-read-transactivisms-dangerous-myth-of-parental-rejection

enoughisenough12 · 21/07/2018 10:32

Brilliant bloody article!!
I am beyond enraged at the crude attempts by those writing trans guidelines to position parents who do not immediately affirm and who question and challenge as 'unsuitable'. These groups advocate for teachers and others to keep confidentiality from parents and even to enable a child to transition without parental knowledge.
Those who set out to disenfranchise any child from their parents and family are dangerous . We have intensive and well established protocols for deciding that parents are a risk to children and to remove parental responsibility. They are lengthy processes with investigations and considerable legislative oversight. Yet trans groups set themselves above the law. They proffer guidelines that ignore safeguarding principles as well as dismissing the needs of children to be protected by their parents.

These repeated displays of breathtaking ignorance and arrogance are incredibly serious.

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 11:08

@LangCleg Grin

I'm looking for a clip of the interview Susie Green gave on Sky during the day of reports about the GRA. I thought it might have been included:
twitter.com/i/moments/1019860694341177344

Its worth considering in this context as she discusses parents' response in a very binary way.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA

my notes from watching the interview c&p from thread above:
"Susie Green from Mermaids is currently on at -2:05

In discussion about the Govt. consultation on GRA she said they were encouraging people to use Q10 & Q11 to highlight age discrimination against children / young people. 'Mermaid's parents and children feel left out & that human rights should apply from birth'. That children should be covered by this too. Disappointed that children were not covered.

said huge amounts of discrimination on a day to day basis.
Susie said that all 7 suicide attempts over a 3 year period made by her daughter were directly linked to a transphobic attack.

We are still seeing that level of hatred and prejudice against children as young as 6 or 7 yrs old, says 'its why 45 % of our young people have attempted suicide at least once and over 80% self harm" ...'it is an emergency'

Asked how young is too young for a child to self-identify?
Susie Green said at age 3-5 years a children generally align with their gender, they notice and start to fit as either girl or boy. We only ask those who say their birth gender doesn't fit. If a child is vocalising to you at a very early age, it must mean they feel it strongly'

Susie denied her child the chance to socially transition. When she did, she was able to succeed at school. Susie said she can't see why this would be a problem.

"If I had continued to try to convince her that how she felt was bad or wrong I would not have the happy daughter that I have now."

Advises parents to listen to their child not shame them, to check out Mermaids website and get support."

lisamuggeridge · 21/07/2018 12:23

I thin its really interesting with Mermaids and some of the others that they are so open about a complete ignorance of safeguarding and that context, and the media have just repeated it uncritically cos they dont know. Some of the things said in the Graun are astonishing

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 12:29

lisamuggeridge absolutely, its mind-blowing given the vulnerability of the children and young people involved.

relevent discussion on (at least!) two current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3312143-James-Kirkup-speaks-up-again-Are-female-prisoners-at-risk-from-transgender-inmates-The-Spectator-20-07

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3312890-Telegraph-article-Facebook-accused-of-censorship-WPUk

Indierockandroll · 21/07/2018 13:42

This is how much Mermaids received in funding

twitter.com/AlfredBelpaire/status/1020639165191524352?s=20

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 14:28

I thin its really interesting with Mermaids and some of the others that they are so open about a complete ignorance of safeguarding and that context, and the media have just repeated it uncritically cos they dont know.

Yes. Like I said on the other thread - it's lots of things (elite social closure; corporate third sector; pomo devaluation of the academy, etc etc) but what they amount to is this: the people in charge of our safeguarding frameworks and/or reporting on them do not know what safeguarding is.

This is utterly terrifying.

lisamuggeridge · 21/07/2018 14:53

Thats the conclusion I came to. At the LSE there was no way for them to be aware of this I realised, I did a session at Wadham College Refectory on critical reflection for young students there and they had never even been introduced to this concept, thats why twitter keeps reproducing structurea round these people to keep them blind to this stuff. TERF is really just the latest. Austerity was a system doing what it does by reflex, so is this. Thats why the meetings. Women meeting and correcting that blindspot. And as trans activists have requested that debate and then demonstrated what they have done, now seems the time.

lisamuggeridge · 21/07/2018 14:54

The rule of law that shapes us they are not even aware of. Have said this before, I do not expect policy makers and media to have a nuanced understanding of female oppression but htis is the baseline rule of law and they are steamrollering over it cos they cant see it and I have a feeling that should just correct their blindspot with crisis.

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 15:04

I've had a comment deleted on this very thread because one of the idiots reported it for suggesting all trans people are paedophiles. This is how blind and stupid they are: the safeguarding holes I'm suggesting aren't anything to do with who is doing the abusing - they are holes in safeguarding to protect trans children themselves.

It's one thing for a knobhead on a messageboard to be that thick and blind. It's quite another when every one of our institutions, the entire media and all the legislators are too.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 21/07/2018 15:04

I do not expect policy makers and media to have a nuanced understanding of female oppression but htis is the baseline rule of law and they are steamrollering over it cos they cant see it and I have a feeling that should just correct their blindspot with crisis

Yes exactly, that's the problem and a different solution is needed than what we have at present - cos it blatantly is not only not working but now actively putting women and children in harm's way, by facilitating grooming and abuse by withholding the expertise necessary to define and implement appropriate safeguarding. It really is willful blindness. There are legal avenues to address this I think but IANAL though

enoughisenough12 · 21/07/2018 15:10

Maybe we all need to do (yet another) letter to our MPs, short and succinct, asking why they are now changing 'Working Together' and safeguarding guidelines for schools and quoting where the lobby groups / organisations are publishing this dangerous advice?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 21/07/2018 15:11

This is how blind and stupid they are: the safeguarding holes I'm suggesting aren't anything to do with who is doing the abusing - they are holes in safeguarding to protect trans children themselves.

But they have to make it about them - no ability to see the bigger picture outside of themselves and that children are being put in harm's way

It's one thing for a knobhead on a messageboard to be that thick and blind. It's quite another when every one of our institutions, the entire media and all the legislators are too.

YY - It's because the underlying model is no longer fit for purpose but too many in power are feeding on the teat of the dead carcass - this parrot is dead but somehow still keeps on laying the golden egg - but not for much longer as the conditions now are similar to those pre-world wars - the have-nots can clearly see the haves are abusing them and the public purse - a carcass can't keep on laying

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 15:12

Maybe we all need to do (yet another) letter to our MPs, short and succinct, asking why they are now changing 'Working Together' and safeguarding guidelines for schools and quoting where the lobby groups / organisations are publishing this dangerous advice?

I might do this actually. Good idea.

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 15:13

Lisa - what is it you say about the historical context of children outwith parental protection backed up by statutory frameworks? Ripe for labour or sexual exploitation? Something like that?

FloralBunting · 21/07/2018 15:15

LangCleg, I wish I could say I was surprised that you were deleted because of their obdurate stupidity, but this really is par for the course, isn't it? It's one of the characteristics of TRAs that keeps me plugging away: the noisy claims about trans identified kids being in danger while simultaneously attempting to dismantle all necessary safeguards in place to protect all kids, including trans identified ones.

enoughisenough12 · 21/07/2018 15:28

@LangCleg And keep copies so that when the sadly inevitable disaster happens, ministers can't say "I know nothing" as our letters and replies will be evidence that they were told andignoredwomeninfavourofwellfundedlobbygroups

lisamuggeridge · 21/07/2018 15:48

Children without protection of kinship relations have historically been commodity for sex or labour, twentieth century saw evolution in understanding of power dynamics but are our first proper attempt at defining responsibilities to protect and a statutory bottom line.

lisamuggeridge · 21/07/2018 15:50

1989 was first time we properly defined Looked AfterChild really and understanding of this largely came from learning from institutional failure and crisis. Never sat down and said 'we need a child protection system'. This crisis is our first chance to consolidate what we have learned so far.