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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Children in their own words.

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CosmicCanary · 07/07/2018 06:40

So there is a piece in the DM this morning about Mermaids and a recent trans prom they held.

The DM interviewed 9 children about their trans identity and what it means to them and how it started.

These are some of the childrens comments:

15 yo who was brought up by mum and nan since the age of 1.
Started blockers at 12 years old.
I liked to wear princess outfits from the age of 2
When I was 6 mum let me experiment wearing girls clothes
I'd get panicky if a teacher called me he
I wore glittery silver shoes

17 yo who lives with mum and dad who are Christians and 2 sisters.
Puberty felt wrong. I was very unhappy I tried to kill myself many times
I feel my breasts are a useless encumbrance
It was so liberating to go the the prom and wear what I wanted
A gay man had been thrown out of our church

16 yo lives with mum and dad. Parents were reluctant but blockers started at 14 years old.
When I was 4 I was in a fancy dress parade and forced to wear a bikini with a stuffed bra
When I was 6 at a party my friends were all putting on make up I hid so I did not have to join in
When I was 4 I wanted to be a boy
Aged 11 I saw a magician on tv and wanted to wear a suit like his I went on the internet and knew I was trans

15 yo lives with mum dad and sister. Mum is Christian.
To start with I thought I was gay so did my mum she found it difficult to reconcile her faith but then I learnt about transgender
We go shopping together now
I am getting blockers

16 yo lives with mum dad and siblings.
I hated dresses and always wore jeans
I was hysterical at the thought of starting puberty
I wore sports bras and bound my chest and cut my hair short
When I was 12 I realised I was trans
My brain is a boy and my body is feminine

17 yo lives with mum.
At 12 I said to a friend I hated the fact I am a girl. I want to be a boy
I looked it up and realised I am trans and want to change my body
Puberty was horrible I was repulsed by it
This prom waa great I did not have to worry what my body looked like

11 yo lives with mum and dad. Dad is muslim.
I was happy when mum bought me a doll when I was 4
I didnt want to wear trousers
I always like knitting singing and dancing
I socially transitioned at 9
I love sparkly things

13 yo lives with mum dad twin sister and 2 older siblings.
The prom was great and I was able to be myself
My school is accepting and inclusive
I knew from a young age I was different

The things that stand out the most for me is that for those born female it is about their body changing. Their breasts growing and puberty causing them distress. They just want to wear trousers and have short hair.

For those born male its about sparkles and glitter. Potentially their sexuality maybe causing them distress due to their parents religion and social views.

I dont think any of these children are trans and I dont think puberty blockers should be given to 12 year olds.

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Bespin · 14/07/2018 08:20

9toenails

I think you misunderstand sometimes that we want children to be trans we don't and for most of our lives and there's we do actually want to be trans because we want to be like everyone else. if I could have lived my life another way I would have in a second and I tried, I tried for years around that. look the 75% of young people are not trans that enter the service and I'm. really glad about that they can find another expression of who they are that they don't need to go through all this and fight like, this though there is little talk of non binary people on here and they have there own struggles. at some point you have to except that trans young people do. exsist dr Harry Benjamin even excepted that they where out there way back when. I know. People don't believe us when we say we have always know we were trans and think it's just adult projecting but its. true what a lot of us didn't have was a way to articulate or action anything as no one would beleive us as in my case so we quickly learned to shut up and try and be like. everyone. else and you know. what some of us manage that our who lives, and some of us don't.

I want to help that small persentage and in reality it is very small of trans kids that need that help.

9toenails · 14/07/2018 14:09

Bespin

Thank you again for your reply.

You seem (as much as it is possible to tell just from forum posts) a really nice, kind person. (Albeit that you have a recalcitrant text correction tool that sometimes makes your posts difficult to read.)

That apart, I think I do understand you.

I suspect you do not understand at least some of what I tried to say. But let us continue our efforts towards mutual comprehension.

My original suggestion was that there is nothing more to being trans than having an overwhelming desire to be the opposite sex - a desire impossible to fulfill. You, on the other hand, seem to think there is something - 'being trans', that causes such desires.

I do not say there is no such thing as being trans. I just think that being trans is the having of these desires, rather than something else.

Some people talk of 'being born in the wrong body', for instance. That seems fine if we take it as a metaphor for 'wanting desperately to be the opposite sex'. But some claim it as a literal truth; I think this is nonsense.

OK, now as to how we treat children and young people who express such desires.

It seems to me we should teach children, appropriately to their age and development, that they cannot have everything they want. Ice cream for breakfast? No. Not allowed. Jump from the top of the stairs and fly like a bird by flapping arms? No. Sadly not possible. Change from being a boy to being a girl? No. Again, not possible.

You, Bespin are trans. You want - desperately, more than anything - to have been born a different sex from how you were born. You wish you did not want that; you really would have liked to have been born differently, 'like everybody else', as you said. Sadly, that is not possible. But you cannot change sex. That is also impossible.

It may be that the best way to deal with such personal conflict is to live your life a certain way; maybe even undergo surgery to change your body. We can, as we should, go along with this as far as is possible. You are a grown-up, and you deserve your autonomy just as the rest of us do.

Nothing follows from this, though, about our treatment of children. It is important that we tell them the truth about the impossibility of changing sex, just as we tell them the truth about other things they may want but cannot have.

This is not like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. The consequences of not telling the truth in this instance are too grave.

Do you tell all the children you meet that it is impossible to change sex, supposing the question to arise? I think you should. Do you tell them that, appearances possibly to the contrary, you, yourself have not changed sex, it being impossible to do that? I think you would be wrong not to.

And, more than this, I think I have good reasons for my view, which I am prepared to specify. You, I take it, have an opposing view. But as far as I can gather you do not have reasons other than feeling a certain way.

In short, it seems we disagree about possibly the most important moral choices we have to make - how to treat our children. The only way I know to deal with such disagreement and decide who is right is to examine reasons for each others' beliefs, checking consistency, ... all the usual methods of what we call rational discussion.

It seems to me that you and others think your feelings trump the imperative - the moral imperative, let me say again - to base our treatment of our children on rational discussion of well-attested facts and consequences of the same.

There are consequences of this divide other than regarding how we treat children of course. But do you agree with what I have said so far?

Let me finish by reiterating my belief that you are a good person. It is, however, possible for good people to do bad things. Steven Weinberg famously thought religion was what caused good people to do bad things; I offer in addition the contemporary ideology of trans.

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