Did Penny Mordaunt really say 'trans women are women'?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5913841/amp/Equalities-minister-vows-press-ahead-plans-make-changing-gender-easier.html?__twitter_impression=true

Can you find it in this article?

Has Pink News claimed that she said it in order to put her in an impossible position?

Is this merely a tactic to put women on the back foot?

Interesting. I couldn't see it in the article. Is this like that Buzzfeed article some months ago announcing Labour's position on AWS before they had. Being ahead of the game, as it were, to influence the outcome?
Or am I being paranoid?!

I sincerely hope she didn't because that would be extremely sinister, instead of only slightly less sinister fake news from PN.

I don't think you can be paranoid when you have certain extremists actively pushing medicalisation for kids and using women as human shields. She can't deny it - but staying silent makes it looks like she agrees! A masterful move, but Sherlock @Timelady flushed it out.

Yes #fakenews

Too early to say if it's fake news.

Looks like the DM have selectively quoted from the interview she did with Pink News. She’s definitely quoted as saying it in the full interview, so presumably she did.

It really does mean fuck all apart from "fuck off, women", doesn't it, TWAW? It obviously doesn't mean that trans women are adult female humans with XX chromosomes.

Yes I agree. Obviously trans women are only women in the sense that a woman who is transgender wishes to become male. That is a trans woman. A male who wishes to be female is a transgender male.

But she must know what the rules of a consultation are. You can't announce the result before having the consultation.

We wouldn't be in this linguistic mess if masculine-presenting transpeople were called transgendered women, and feminine-presenting transpeople were known as transgendered men. Far more accurate descriptions,which

I agree. Accurate and they do the job.

That's what I used to think when I heard trans women are women - so of course it made sense. Too much biology?

twitter.com/ObjectUK/status/1014057434594398208

"We’re listening to everyone. The starting point for this is that trans people need to be supported and we need to ensure the processes that are there when they’re going through a transition are there to support them and not add to their stresses.

Trans women are women, that is the starting point for this consultation.

Of course we listen to all groups, and women’s groups in particular.

What we need is a very pragmatic approach to this where everyone is respected, where there is empathy for everyone’s position.

We will get the best results from this consultation if it is done in that environment with people being sensible, people looking at the facts and not making things up, and ensuring people are respected."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/03/penny-mordaunt-interview-gender-recognition-act/

Saying she's listening to women's groups, straight after saying male-bodies people are women, is an act of such bottomless stupidity it renders her reassurances completely untrustworthy.

All tras women are women means is

The definiton of the word woman has been changed

There is no longer a word available to describe the group it meant to mean

And there isn't going to be a new one for them

I like the last Object in that Twitter thread is a peach! I want some magic clothes, preferably ones that shrink my tum, arse & thighs back to my pre-kids dimensions.

Apologies. In my excitement about the thought of magic clothes, my last post sounds like it was composed by Yoda.

Letter in Morning Star:
We, the undersigned, have a variety of positions about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Some of us have not yet fully formed our opinions.

We are calling for action within our movement to allow debate to take place over proposed changes to the Act
( continues with examples of violence, threats and intimidation)

"These cases are part of systematic attempts to shut down meetings organised by women at which they can discuss potential legislative changes and the impact these may have on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law.

They draw the whole of our progressive movement into disrepute.

Some trans rights activists even continue to justify the use of violence, meaning that many women are simply too frightened to attend meetings that are both public and lawful in order that they may discuss their own rights.

Other women, including ordinary women concerned for their rights, as well as those active within the trade union movement and other political campaigns, are also now anxious and fearful that they will be subjected to such attacks when engaging in any political activity, meetings, or protests.

We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for women to be made scared to engage in political life.

We, the undersigned, publicly and unequivocally condemn the use of violence or tactics of intimidation on this issue.

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/improving-climate-debate-around-proposed-changes-gender-recognition-act

Len signed? Wow!

Well, I never expected to be sharing a platform with the Morning Star.

That is very heartening ❤️

Wow! The Morning Star?

Can you subscribe to the morning star?

Perhaps the Morning Star ought to have its own thread? I feel slightly comforted reading the list of names.