Let's call Radio 4 and tell them what it's like to be gender critical LGBT person

[DJLippy]

What's it like to be LGBT in the UK today? That's the question on tomorrows You & Yours phone in - a Radio 4 consumer affairs show (12.15 - 13.00)

I think this is a warm up to the GRA consultation being launched this week. Basically, I think it will be the TRA show - a chance for the BBC to do some more GRA propaganda. I think that gender critical lesbian, gay and bi-sexual voices should get an airing.

They want submissions for tomorrows show. This is a brilliant programme - and they have some of the best producers working in the British media right now. Let's write in and tell them what we think.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qps9/contact

Bump please someone do
Not in the UK currently and not a lesbian so can't

I am not LGBT, I am bumping for those that are.

I completely disagree. This is Pride week and you are conflating to whole LGB experience with the T. It is possible to be LGB and gender critical.
It's no wonder that people see GC feminists as bigots if this is their response.

If I wasn't so upstanding and not a cheat, I would add my POV, according to Stonewall definitions, I am LGBT+.

It's no wonder that people see GC feminists as bigots if this is their response.

Yeah, platforming lesbian voices and points of view silenced by male-run publications like Pink News is soooo bigoted. And completely out of place on a feminist board. Who do these women think they are FFS?

It is possible to be LGB and gender critical.

Of course it is. I think that's why OP was suggesting those of us who are LGB might want to phone in. What do you 'completely disagree' with exactly?

As well as the GRA consultation launch, tomorrow sees the launch of the new LGBT action plan with the results of the government survey some of us completed last year. The plan is rumoured to contain a recommendation to enshrine the Memorandum of Understanding on conversion therapy into law, so some callers might also want to say something about that.

MN thread here.

Anyone on any Reddit GC/LGBT groups - fancy posting this message out there? I have NO IDEA what I am doing on that format...

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The OP said they thought it would be "the TRA show" and I reacted to that assumption. I am of course in favour of GC views being heard everywhere. Maybe I interpreted the post incorrectly. .

Given it's the BBC I have no faith it won't be the TRA show.

I watched Penny Mordaunt being questioned the other week. A woman asked her about the LGBT action plan but all she wanted to know was whether it safeguarded trans rights.

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This is the week of the GRA consultation launch, don't you think the timing of this show is auspicious?

Lesbians are practically invisible in all public discourse about the LGBT. Is it any wonder? Those that do get a platform are often non-binary/queer.

The LGBT is not a homogenous mass and often their interests stand in direct opposition. Female members of the LGBT are treated appallingly by their lobbying organisations. Increasingly people are being referred to as LGBT - as if people are simultaneously gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans.

The cotton celing is real yet it is ignored by all mainstream media organisations - including gay media. It's a massive story and one which many straight men and women are reviled by when they are told about it. Why is that? An inconvenient truth...

The cotton celing is real

I'm not sure what you mean by 'it's real' - it's an absolutely vile term and, as a lesbian, I wish people would stop using it.

The notion that more people should be talking about the cotton ceiling is what I find problematic.

It feels like someone saying 'oh someone's threatening you with x, of course I think they're completely wrong, but I thought you should know', when it's the threat (that the person was blissfully unaware of) that's the distressing bit.

I'd say 'timely' rather than auspicious. Tripple whammy tomorrow:

• Launch of the LGBT action plan
• Results of LGBT survey published (as part of the above)
• Launch of GRA consultation

Absolutely more lesbian and bi women's voices need to be heard. Lesbians in particular were found to be underrepresented at the BBC.

The notion that more people should be talking about the cotton ceiling is what I find problematic.

WOMEN STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR OPPRESSION

Everybody should be talking about the cotton ceiling. It's a rape culture that targets lesbian and bisexual women. It's obscene. Why don't you want people to talk about it?

Because the term itself propagates rape culture. Every time I hear the term I feel threatened.

Obviously, you can talk about whatever you like, but personally, the more this term is thrown about and the more publicity it gets, the more threatened I feel.

Saying 'the cotton ceiling is real' suggests that it's something to be overcome (like the glass ceiling) and I don't believe that this terms should be used or that 'the cotton ceiling' is a valid concept or that it requires any airtime.

If you think the notion of certain people's entitlement to lesbian bodies is a bad thing, then please don't give this horrible theory any oxygen.

Just to add, my view is that the more discussion there is around the cotton ceiling, the more danger lesbians will be in.

I feel it's quite unfair that many of the people trying to publicise the existence of 'the cotton ceiling' aren't themselves lesbians and won't be harmed directly by their own actions. However, lesbians will be.

I think that the wider public has NO IDEA what is happening to lesbian and bisexual people. They have NO IDEA about the Cotton ceiling. How is raising awareness of an issue making it worse? That makes no sense. It would suggest to me that you don't want people to talk about it because it's an uncomfortable truth and the reality at the heart of transgender ideology.

I would have no idea about the cotton ceiling if it weren't for MN, though.

I don't want to hear terms that basically threaten rape against me, and the only place I have ever come across it is on MN or on videos or Reddit posts linked to from
MN.

So why publicise a term that says 'lesbians, we're going to rape you'?

If the term was for a theory called 'death to lesbians', can you see why saying 'death to lesbians' over and over isn't helpful for the lesbians?

That's like saying you don't want to hear the word 'rape.'

Naming a threat allows you to address the threat

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's potentially dangerous ignorance I'm afraid.

No, it's like saying I don't want to hear the words 'rape to lesbians' over and over.

The term is like the glass ceiling and suggests it's something to be overcome. It's a very graphic and explicit threat to women.

The only way I know this is a threat to me is because well-meaning feminists keep telling me so.

The term itself is designed to threaten, and they're using you to unwittingly administer the threat.

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We are not going to shut up.

I am fighting against the concept of the Cotton ceiling. The general public has no idea it is happening. Ignoring the issue will not make it go away. We need to tell people what is happening!

This is not a phrase that women made up. It was made up by trans folk.

I understand that you may find this word traumatic but isn't it better to face the fear and do something about it?

Am I not allowed to speak about this because I am bisexual and only a lesbian should be able to talk about it? Where would we be if only the people directly affected by the problem were able to speak about it?

I’m a lesbian and I speak out about the cotton ceiling because all normal people are horrified and appalled.

Not talking about it doesn’t make it go away, it allows it to thrive . Shine a bright light on it, point at it and name it as some seriously homophobic, rapey bullshit

I want people to hear the term “cotton ceiling” because I want people to be fucking outraged about it. I want people to be shocked by the idea of what is happening to help women.

I have emailed in. I am bisexual but have experienced sexual coercion in this realm.