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[Pratchet]

Manfriday

Not sure about these issues at all, and happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but Twitter seems to inform me that it was Benjamin Cohen on Sunday Politics (the CEO of Pink News, no less) twitter.com/benjamincohen
There is a separate account for a chappie called Benjamin Butterworth (journalist who contributes to Pink News) twitter.com/benjaminbutter

I think it was a great interview. Have a lot of time for Jane Fae in particular and Pink News have championed trans rights a lot in the past.

Have no time for Jane Fae due to h** opinion that many murders of women are boring and 'domestic violence gone wrong'. What a noxious human being.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the interview segment in particular completely silenced the opinions of the women who have a problem with self-ID and the extremes of trans ideology.

Both Jane and Ben contributed variations of: "Shut up you hysterical ladies." They did not engage critically with female dissenters, or consider their feelings. They basically told women to stop engaging their minds, and blindly submit to these changes.

I've got a big problem with that.

Is Jane Fae the passive aggressive knitter, or am I mistaking her for someone else?

Huge congratulations to ManFriday, really excellent to get the issue on an important political programme.

It is a shame that Cohen wasn't challenged harder, but his answer that trans women don't really like swimming wasn't exactly convincing.

I did watch it again and it is Benjamin Cohen, not Butterworth.

the insidious suggestion that feminists and Man Friday have an activist ideology leaves the other side as status quo/common sense/ move along nothing to see here is an extremely annoying old trick to preserve the established order; Labour right wing are described as moderates while Corbyn's supporters have an 'ideology'. Tedious.
well done, Man Friday

I do believe Jane enjoys knitting.

I still can't get over the fact that some lovely females checking into a youth hostel into spaces meant for men is now considered damaging activism. All they are saying is "it is bizarre that we should now be called males just because we say so."

And yes, isn't it a smidgeon... transphobic to insinuate that trans people are... hydrophobic?

Relevent thread re JF:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3205176-dv-gone-wrong

All those silly women with their eggshell skulls.

the insidious suggestion that feminists and Man Friday have an activist ideology leaves the other side as status quo/common sense/ move along nothing to see here is an extremely annoying old trick to preserve the established order

We really need to keep framing this as upholding women's rights. It is not an attack on transgender rights. Transgender people are entitled to full human rights. But it is wrong to allow men to self-id as women and then be entitled to enter all women-only spaces.

There are men who will take advantage of being allowed to self-id as the opposite sex in order to attack and harass women. The only way to keep women safe from them is to not allow any men to self-id as women.

Link to the segment:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06cktqc

Also need to dispel the notion which seems to be floating around that the Equality Act 2010 somehow legalised self identification. Or have I got that wrong.

They say that because the EA says any part of the process of 'gender reassignment' is protected.

Self ID is not legal.

I did watch it again and it is Benjamin Cohen, not Butterworth.

Sorry yes my mistake.

I think it was a great interview. Have a lot of time for Jane Fae in particular

Eggshell skulls domestic murders, extreme porn as a civil rights issue. A general misogynist. Really dinosaurs

I think it was a great interview. Have a lot of time for Jane Fae in particular

Is Jane fae the one advocating for younger ‘actors’ to be allowed in extreme porn? That Jane Fae or am I mixing them up with someone who isn’t advocating for young teens being involved in extreme pornography? Because surely the combination of someone lobbying for you get actors in extreme porn AND lobbying for something that will actively reduce child safeguarding is, well. Not someone I’d be friends with if I’m honest. Or have I got the wrong person?

Or is Jane Fae the one who made the eggshell skull comment?

Lots of time for that, dinosaurs? doesn’t sound like the sort of person I’d want to be having in my knitting circle tbh.

Article discussing this Sunday Politics segment:

(extract)

The programme showed ManFriday going into a Youth Hostel as men, only they don’t look remotely like men, which is the whole point of the campaign. They state the magical, mystical words “I identify as a man” and bingo, they are allowed to enter the hallowed male space. Now imagine a group of women believing they are in a safe space and in walks an obvious man and the reason for this campaign becomes clear." (continues)

Thank you Pratchet. I just hear it so much that I am beginning to doubt my own reading skills. But self ID is already legal, so what are you making such a fuss about? seems to be their current argument.

I think the pictures of Fae framed side on together with pregnant reporter were good though and I wonder if there is an ally in the production team. The contrast is obvious.

Agree.

It was interesting that PN Ben said their polling showed the public weren’t as on board with transgenderism. It will be interesting to see how the debate shakes down once its off Twitter (where dissenting views are blocked, doxxed and silenced) out into the real world.

This is an example of subliminal bias. 'Reform' is not a neutral word: it has positive connotations. 'Greater freedom' also. The BBC have started to try. But there's a long way to go.

The bit when he said ‘trans people don’t really like to go swimming so you don’t need to worry about that’ says it all!
He’s not prepared to think things through logically & understand why women are feeling nervous/angry

I know. Very transphobic.

Self ID is not legal.

Yes they can self-Id as trans (proposing to undergo reassignment etc), but not as a member of the opposite sex.

The bit when he said ‘trans people don’t really like to go swimming so you don’t need to worry about that’ says it all!

He was so blatantly ignoring the point of the question that I'm hoping that will have been just as obvious to viewers who are new to all this.