Sunday politics now

[Pratchet]

Manfriday

Jane fae unchallenged as usual
Ellie Price is the reporter

James Kirkup! Yay

It's a good thing they roll out jane Faye every time - not a convincing voice

Oh no - editor pink news. The bbc always gives up at the final hurdle.

This PN guy keeps saying “if people
identify as trans” - I thought we were told that no one identifies as trans and that’s why we are not permitted to use a certain factual descriptive term for people who do so?

Just got up and wound to the correct bit on iplayer! Need to make a coffee first. Not sure my blood pressure will thank me for this having seen that smarmy PN misogynist.

This PN guy is really trying to spin this. The BBC should have had a women's campaigner there to balance him out.
"We don't need to worry" aka "Calm down, dear"
I am worried.

To any Pink-News supporting gay man reading this:
I was born a female, attracted to men (aka heterosexual)
Let's say I decide that actually I am a man, because I've always tended to be masculine, and that I am gay (as I am still attracted to men).
According to your ideology, I'm now exactly the same as any male, no matter how I present myself, and have always been a man.
Could I now tell you to have sex with me and my vagina? Can I say you're transphobic for refusing to consider me as a sexual partner?
Could I say I share the struggles of the gay liberation movement? That I know what it's like to grow up as a gay man, exactly the same as you? If I wear a dress that makes me the same as any drag queen?

This is the ideology you are supporting. This is happening to lesbians. Stop self-ID and the extremes of trans ideology, because it affects you too.

Yes the imbalance is Huuuge

Also Ellie Price is trying to be a feminist but doesn't want to get piled on by the trans lobby.

That was shite. How dare the BBC not let a gender critical person, male or female, challenge Butterworth's disingenuous and dismissive statements?

Let's all complain

Thank Goddess for ManFriday and all the feminists on mumsnet who have persisted. What Cohen was basically saying was a year ago we had privately lobbied the government and self id was a shoe-in through the backdoor then those pesky women found out and asked too many questions so now there is actually going to be a consultation and TRAs proposals will see the light.

It will be on catchup here;
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b7mb0h

How far in does it start?

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/

How many of us can they fob off all at once

I think the pictures of Fae framed side on together with pregnant reporter were good though and I wonder if there is an ally in the production team. The contrast is obvious.

So
'following Ireland other countries and no problems'
'no change, TW already access these spaces and no problems'
'MF causing fear harm abuse attack, dehumanising and exclusionary'
'especially harmful for trans men'
'anti trans-rights in general'
'trans lobby never wanted to change the Equalities Act'
'never been asked for a birth certificate to use the loo'
'its just paperwork'
'2010 law already allows'
'campaign of misinformation, fuelled by hostile press'
'Don't need to worry'

Just watched it, it's about 30 mins in.

Upstart, it was just after half 11.

Cross post

That said, I doubt Jane Fae is winning many converts. People have visceral reactions. If they'd used Paris Lees who does actually pass (sorry Jane) it would have worried people less.

Agree Macareaux. They always wheel out Fae. Might be worth reminding people on twitter of some of Fae's other views.

We have got to give credit to Ellie Price here. This can't be easy.

It's the people who let Pink News on alone who are the problem.

It interesting that the Man Friday women were described as 'activists' whilst Jane Fae and the editor of Pink News were not....