How stressed are you about the loss of female-only spaces?

[DoctorW]

How stressed are you that the UK Govt may legalise self-declaration of sex, enabling any man to become legally female and gain access to female-only spaces such as refuges, sports, awards, jobs (e.g. performing smear tests), dormitories and lesbian groups?

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I'm angry and pissed off about it.

The stress comes from seeing the lack of critical thought displayed by so many government officials and other orgs/public services that should have risk analysis and safeguarding at the forefront of what they do.

The race to be unimpeachably woke is obliterating all common sense.

Stressed? Fucking angry more like..... a man at anytime can decide he wants to identify as a woman and have all the rights of women?? It's already happening in schools where boys, identifying as females, can use the girls changing rooms (and vice versa). No consideration given to the girls. None...in fact, the school doesn't even have to inform parents that there is a child identifying as a female using the girls changing rooms.
FPFW states "Self-identification of sex means someone could change their birth certificate without needing any medical reports or even a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. It would be an on-demand system. Anyone will be able to apply a replacement birth certificate showing the sex of their choice. It will be against the law to falsify the application, against the law to say you want to live as the opposite sex. But people lie, predatory males lie. It will be impossible to prove they have lied. How can anyone judge the validity of another persons inner feelings? You can’t
A self-declaration system will be quick and easy for transgender people, but also extremely easy to abuse. No checks or safeguards means literally ANY MAN will be able to get a female birth certificate, whether he is transgender or not"

Any perverts using spaces for dubious purposes will be prosecuted as they are already.

Basic safeguarding practices prevention, rather than prosecution after the event. This is why we argue that women are being thrown under the bus - sex-segregation is a basic safeguarding measure to protect women and girls.

Plus it's not just safeguarding - it comfort, privacy and dignity for those women and girls (and I count myself and my DD among these) who do not wish to share intimate spaces with any male-bodied people - regardless of how they "identify".

Not.

Gender Apostate same position here as you at work with male bodied people using the unadapted, female toilets.
It’s infuriating and humiliating for women to have so little privacy and I feel we can’t talk about it to each other in case it’s seen as bullying of the individual male colleagues who identify as women.

I’m very angry on behalf of my daughter as it removes a layer of safety for her when she is old enough to go on her own.

For me it’s not just the safety but also the privacy/dignity. I work with lovely men but I do not want to share a changing room or toilet with them. They also wouldn’t want to do that with me either! The people demanding access to women’s spaces are a massive red flag to me.

Interestingly, my office is quite small and although we have 3 cubicles in the Ladies, we seem to have developed a system of only nipping to the loo if there is no-one else there. We seem to have subconsciously given each other that privacy.

Any perverts using spaces for dubious purposes will be prosecuted as they are already

Are they? Prosecution relies on sufficient evidence and police motivation. Prosecution rates are actually quite low.

Any perverts using spaces for dubious purposes will be prosecuted as they are already

Naive to the extreme.

I'm not in the slightest bit bothered.

Hollow laugh at the idea that people using women's spaces for dubious purposes are prosecuted.

The more likely response, and I don't care if it makes me sound paranoid, will eventually be 'But you knew there were penises in there, what were you doing?'

So yes, I am angry and anxious.

Also not stressed at all. I don't think many people will actually be directly affected

I don't want anyone to be directly affected at all for starters.

I’m pretty sure I’m the only one who knows about the toilet selfies, I did some detective work and found the ‘secret’ account after I found I was blocked, presumably by tef blocker - as he has no knowledge of my twitter, by their normal account which has workplace links on it .

Toilet selfies are actually the least of it, it also links to a ‘sw-itter’ account advertising home made porn photos for sale ! Plus moaning about being constantly misgendered in their customer facing role, despite the profile swinging between queer / non binary/ trans and other rubbish. He also seems to have severe mental health problems and has gone from shy and polite young man to wearing skimpy vests and full on madgan/ SF retweeter.
I’m keeping schtum for the moment - we are supposed to be getting new, self contained toilets. I don’t trust any of the managers to deal with the other stuff properly .
When the 2nd person announced they were trans last week I just felt angry in all honesty, especially as the all Male department gave a round of applause afterwards.

I am alternately stressed and simmering with rage tbh.

Finally posting, after years of lurking, motivated by the forthcoming government consultation on gender self-ID. I want to add my voice to those critical of transgender ideology, its impact on women's rights and on the health and safeguarding of children. It angers and concerns me greatly that the claims of transgender advocates are destroying female-only opportunities and spaces, and with them the development, safety and dignity of women and girls.

When you see clearly what is happening, it feels like being painted into an ever-tighter corner. I join those who are saying 'No' and pushing back to assert our rights. It's encouraging that gender critical voices are beginning to make an impact. Now is clearly not the time to stay silent, hence I'm adding my tuppence worth.

When the 2nd person announced they were trans last week I just felt angry in all honesty, especially as the all Male department gave a round of applause afterwards.

Christ... Gender Apostate that is next frickin level. Clapping. So they have enough interest in this issue to publicly validate their brave and stunning colleagues but not enough interest to speak to female staff about their feelings about how their privacy, dignity and safety are affected at work.

The male senior management at my workplace just ignore the whole issue because it doesn’t affect them. Like your work place it is heavily male dominated and lots of us already feel beleaguered there as working mothers because they just don’t get any of that stuff either.

also angry that there is not space to get away from abusive men. if they can follow you in by claiming female status that is not good. and they fucking would.

pinchpoint I've spent more time today talking rather than posting.

I'm also going to try and write a letter or email everyday.

Its been very refreshing. People get it very quickly... they've mostly had concerns but thought they were isolated ones.

this was good to read yesterday:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/genderneutral-toilets-my-daughter-was-called-selfish-for-wanting-girlsonly-loos-at-school

"The weeks passed and my daughter — along with others who were unhappy with the new loos — kept complaining, but their complaints fell on deaf ears. They were told to put up and shut up and think of others. As a parent, this felt wrong. Did only the transgender voice matter? What about my daughter’s voice? Shouldn’t both be listened to?

My daughter saw red. She started a petition for boys, girls and gender-neutrals to sign. Hundreds did. She insisted that a school council meeting be held and unisex toilets discussed. They were. And you know what? Eventually hers and other unhappy voices were listened to. And against the odds the toilets were quietly changed back to how they had been, with a smaller provision of unisex toilets kept for those who choose to use them.

It’s been a tough but fulfilling school year in which my child has learnt that if you’re passionate enough about something, you can effect change.

Don’t think for one minute, however, that she’s not sensitive to the transgender child. She is. She just wants everyone’s voices to be heard. It’s not about changing the law one way or the other. It’s about making sure that there’s provision for people of all genders or non-genders and that everyone feels comfortable everywhere."

I'm furious about it, especially when I think how it could impact my teenage daughter

I'm fucking terrified for me for my kids for my grand kids...

Fantastic young girl Rowan.

*SarahAr

Not stressed at all.

Self-declaration of sex will not enable men (or even transwomen) to gain access to female spaces such as refuges as the government has reaffirmed it is not changing the Equality Act and the exceptions within that act.

And as for women's sport - both the GRA and the EA exclude women's sport. So self-declaration will not affect it at all.

But interesting to see the number of women who are being mislead and caused unnecessary anxiety by these misleading posts - posts written by people who claim to be fighting for women's rights.*

Bollocks. All of these are already happening so don't fucking lie, it's adding insult to injury. These organisations (Girl Guides for example) are choosing to implement policies that ignore their right to maintain exemptions - because they are bowing to pressure from people like you.

I think the survey the OP links too has had to be removed as the trans army found out about it and bombarded it till the results were skewed in their favour.

I am heartbroken that we have a female PM & this shit is going on-womens sports being slowly eradicated-girl guides not safeguarding young girls-gender neutral changing rooms etc But I do think sanity will return-the fact that some male sexual predators also like to dress as women is a fact. Shame the trans lobby can't aim their vitriol at them rather than people who just wish to point out the potential dangers of allowing men into womens spaces.

I think the survey the OP links too has had to be removed as the trans army found out about it and bombarded it till the results were skewed in their favour.

There is no point setting up these polls. We need proper polling.

I feel stressed about it - like another poster mentioned I always feel quite vulnerable if toilets in a club / restaurant are quite a long walk away from busy areas, esp if there is a man also in that corridor /stairs which are inevitably poorly lit.
I’m also scared for my daughter - and angry too. She’s sporty but what chance will she have if she’s up against boys? It’s so blindingly obvious that it’s not fair so why is is allowed?
Sex segregated spaces are there for safety, and dignity of the people using them. They are hugely important in a world where women die and are assaulted due to their sex. Male violence is the problem in our society and we need to be tackling that, not just allowing anyone who fancies it into our spaces