Article on the side-effects of Lupron

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Mayday 4 Women shared this. Whilst its use for transitioning is not mentioned, it is known to be widely used to delay puberty as part of the transitioning process.

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

Worth reading and absolutely raises questions about the long term implications and safety associated with Lupron. This suggests that "watch and wait" would be prudent for prepubescent children who identify as trans.

It is not that easy to get blockers though. They aren't passed out like candy. Consistent, Persistent and Insistent. Not all trans children will meet the bar to be warranted such intervention.

According to the older transsexuals who have posted here, before they had surgery, they had to show that they had understood that what they were having was gender reassignment surgery, not a "sex change", since that is not possible.

Do you think it is made clear to these "trans children" that they can't change sex? That all that will ever be possible is to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make them resemble the opposite sex? It should be clear that anyone being given any treatment of this sort has understood that it is not possible to change sex.

What is wrong with helping these children to come to terms with the bodies they have? How can anyone argue that medicating healthy children with powerful and dangerous drugs is better than counselling? Nobody is "born in the wrong body". It is the duty of adults to help children to accept themselves as they are, not support them in their belief that their bodies are wrong.

Given that people have talked about walking in for their first appointment and walking out half an hour later with a prescription then no, it is not at all clear that either blockers or hormones are not being handed out like candy at Halloween.

hells bloody bells, did you even get to the manifesto?
i thought that other one was bad, but this is something else:
transit.org.uk/manifesto.html

"We are against gatekeeping of any kind, unless for medical reasons. If a trans person intends to take hormones, and asks for it from their doctor, the doctor should immediately check suitability; blood tests, endocrinology exam, etc. This should be done immediately, on a fast-track service where the individual gets results the same day, if possible, or as early as possible."

"We believe that a trans person who wishes to have surgery, should be able to get it done, on the very day that they request it, if possible, or as soon as possible."

"We are OK with underground surgeons....

Well, seeing as we can't even get cancer wait times down to decent times to get treatment and surgery, at least we know this madness pushed by transit.org.uk has little likelihood of getting through.

...though, given what has got through already, who knows!

So, like, do the surgery right away and don't bother with the whole fasting so you won't vomit while under sedation and possibly die thing?

Sometimes you have to protect people from themselves even if they really don't want you to.

These manifestos should be published in the mainstream media,

I’m sure everyone on the two week cancer referral pathway will be delighted.

The entitlement is breaktaking.

Reminiscent of Action for Trans Health, isn't it?

they want surgery for 8 year olds

Reputable hairdressers won't even do a drastic dye job without a 24 hour wait period for a strand test...

I can't believe it is legal for a website - however extremist their manifesto - to actually advertise providing an information service for obtaining illegal drugs to be taken by minors.

How can this stand?

"We believe that a trans person who wishes to have surgery, should be able to get it done, on the very day that they request it, if possible, or as soon as possible."

Do they not understand that before any even slightly complex surgery the patient needs to be assessed fully? That for complex surgeries you can have a team of people who will review and plan? And that for seriously complex stuff that can take a fair while?

Seriously, this stuff needs publishing.

I can't believe what I've just read. Aimed at children. Gaslighting and coercing parents.
It feels endless, this torrent of abusive distorted thinking, aimed directly at children. The eating disorder communities are very hot on steering children away from the online pro ana sites because of the harm they do and the way that they groom young people into accepting disordered thinking about eating disorders. But who is looking out for this group of vulnerable trans children? They are just being pushed into the arms of these... people... and nobody even notices. Sites like this should be shut down, just as we shut down sites glorifying gangs and violence. They are doing real harm.

In the interests of medical accuracy, it should be noted that the vagina is an organ - not an orifice.

Therefore it is not possible to "create" a vagina; you are either born with one or you would have to receive an organ transplant. However as the latter option is not currently possible, the only current way to have a vagina is to be female.

If one is born without a vagina then a surgical approximation of one can be created, but it is a medically created opening rather than a functioning organ so it is incorrect to refer to it as a vagina.

If anyone is on twitter @MLaidlawMD may be worth a follow. He is an endocrinologist who also wrote this
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/ He has concerns about the way hormones are being used for this purpose.

When our first child was born. My DH looked at me and said "fuck me, how does something that small stretch that wide"? Dunno how he thought the baby would come out if it didn't.

Oops, wrong thread.

Gaslighting and coercing parents.
It feels endless, this torrent of abusive distorted thinking, aimed directly at children

Directing misleading information at vulnerable children
Group lobbying for removal of child safeguarding
Why is this not being looked at?
Who is pushing this at children?
Why?
Who is funding this?

That's scaremongering. You are extrapolating reports concerning one drug (Lupron) to other drugs (eg gosselerin acetate and Triptorelin) without any evidence

Not scaremongering at all. Its a reasonable observation. Its very sad, appalling really, that you don't care enough about the bodies of trans questioning children that you will deny the harm that can be caused to them, in order to push your own agenda.

I might try to grapple with the Google complaints system for that website - it was literally the fourth thing hit that came up when I searched for "buy puberty blockers online"

If anyone is on twitter @MLaidlawMD* may be worth a follow. He is an endocrinologist who also wrote this
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/ He has concerns about the way hormones are being used for this purpose.

Those reading it might wish to take into account that he uses the wrong pronouns

If one is born without a vagina then a surgical approximation of one can be created, but it is a medically created opening rather than a functioning organ so it is incorrect to refer to it as a vagina.

When my mother had her hip operation she had a metal joint fitted. She - and everyone else - still referred to it as her hip.

When my mother had her hip operation she had a metal joint fitted. She - and everyone else - still referred to it as her hip.

That's because it is her hip, that has been mended. A penis however is not a broken vagina. It is a penis.

Those reading it might wish to take into account that he uses the wrong pronouns

I can't help thinking of Jesus warning against those who strain at gnats and swallow camels...

The hip is a joint, not an organ. However it is part of the skeleton which is an organ system. A metal ball joint used in a hip replacement can still fulfil the same function as the original bone.

However a surgical approximation of a vagina does not fulfil all of the actual vagina's functions. It will not self clean, or self lubricate. It will not expand or contract, it will have no mucous membrane nor Bartholin's glands in the labia. It will not be connected to a cervix, nor will it form part of the overall female reproductive system. It will not be used as a birth canal nor for expelling menstrual blood.

A surgical opening can be used for sex and an inverted urethral opening can mimic a woman's. Therefore it is incorrect and inaccurate to state that a surgically created opening is the same as a vagina.

I've worried about that too ProfessionalBarren , I had GnRH analog for IVF and despite normally being very mentally stable I spent my time on it not able to walk across a particular bridge I used to cross to take my children to school because of the intense feeling that I needed to jump off it. That's not something I'd experienced before or since but I had it each of the 5 times I was down regulated for the treatment.

Who is monitoring and keeping records of the effects this kind of drug is having on children?